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K10 at 2.5 GHz beats Intel quad at 3.0+ : Run for the hills

Tom|Nbk

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The new K10 based processors will really make Intel run for its money, at least till the end of the year. Just as Intel stole K8's mojo with Merom aka Core 2 Duo and quad, AMD is ready to finally fight back. It took them almost a year to prepare for the big clash.

Barcelona / Agena FX will beat Intel Core 2 Quad at 3.0 GHz+. Intel knows it and it is scared. Intel also knows that it cannot go over 3.0 GHz with 65 nanometre, at least not at 120 W TDP. Some reports already claim that QX6850 with FSB 1333 and 3 GHZ clock is already pushing the envelope as intel's 120W TDP is actually 150W+ at least on AMD's TDP scale. TDP stands for Thermal Design Power.

Intel needs to go over 3.0 GHZ to 3.2 or more to match Barcelona / Agena parts at 2.5 GHz. Intel knows that it needs to go to 3.2+ GHz and it needs the 45 nm Yorkfield core to match Agena 2.5 GHz.

Finally AMD should be able to make 2.7 if not even more with its 65 nm process. Intel has a good fighting chance with next the generation Nehalem core in the second half of 2008.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=649&Itemid=1

Anyone feel the calm before the storm?
 
Good old fudzilla... I'll wait and see until it's released, fudzilla seems to be going for a lot of sensasionalist "rubbish" over the last couple of weeks, must be fishing for visitors.
 
If correct, its all cat and mouse, very much like Gfx cards, one does better the other spends a year coming up with something even better.

Though if it is a summer release then i feel i will have enough pennies for a worthy upgrade and off load the c2d onto a friend so he can play FM2007 quicker :D
 
Im sure the K8L (K10), will be faster at floating point operations, as it's reputed to have two FPU's per core. However for most people its Integer, and SSE performance that counts, for gaming, media encoding etc.

Only time will tell how the new AMD chip fares against Core 2 in those fields.

Not only that, while Penryn is only a minor revision of Core 2, it adds the full SSE4 (AKA Penryn New Instructions or PNI) and is reputed to offer better general performance than Conroe at any give clock. So AMD need to compete with that processor not Conroe.
 
K8L has quite a few tweaks over K8, supposidly more IPC than previous generation K8s and hefty tweak to there pre-fetch system, give it a read some interesting stuff, surely its gonna see of the core architecture, i mean K8 in its current guise isn't really that much slower than conroe despite people stating its MASSIVELY faster, so if AMD could get an extra 25 - 30% performance from K8 with their revisions in K8L it should be enough to keep them going for a while, as corasik mentioned penryn is only a minor revision to core architecture, so nobody is expecting huge improvements in performance when they switch to that expect more than likely higher clock speeds, whether any of this information is true though is the question really, until proven its gotta be taken with a pinch of salt :)
 
Corasik said:
Im sure the K8L (K10), will be faster at floating point operations, as it's reputed to have two FPU's per core. However for most people its Integer, and SSE performance that counts, for gaming, media encoding etc.

Only time will tell how the new AMD chip fares against Core 2 in those fields.

Not only that, while Penryn is only a minor revision of Core 2, it adds the full SSE4 (AKA Penryn New Instructions or PNI) and is reputed to offer better general performance than Conroe at any give clock. So AMD need to compete with that processor not Conroe.
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Penryn 45nm process as well?? :)

Its what I'm waiting for before going quad ;)

Stelly
 
BillytheImpaler said:
Where's the fact-checking here? It's not hard to discover that Merom is Core Duo. Conroe was the first core called Core 2 Duo.
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No Merom is Core 2 Duo for Laptops, 667Mhz FSB instead of 1066, and lower clocks, but still a full bloodied 64bit Core 2 Duo.

Yohan is the 32bit Core Duo.

It's still a pretty badly written piece though.

Yes Penryn is 45nm processes, increased cache, slightly reoptimized so 'some' performance gains at any given clock.
 
If there was no competition, then we would be stuck with the same old tech for ever. I hope AMD kicks the ball a bit further this summer, so intel will try and kick it even further in 2008.
 
It seems that Intel are assuming that AMD will have something good. Thats why they have two teams working on the parallel development of future cores.

It's not going to stagnate like it did with P4 with just minor revisions keeping the same old chip going for years.

They have roadmaps showing an alternating between process shrinks, and updated architecture, with around 1 year between each stage.
 
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