Keeping up with the Markles

Tony Edwards said:
So just for arguements sake. If he was Hewitts son and not Charles would he still be a prince due to Diana at the time being the princes or is it purely birth line?

Im assuming it is birth line.
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If that was actually the case (and it was known publicly) then he'd be an illegitimate son of Diana and wouldn't be a Prince/Royal. He's a Prince because he's a grandchild of the Monarch via a male line, any kids of Charles, Andrew and Edward are automatically entitled to be Prince/Princess (and styled HRH) though in the case of Edward they chose for their kids not to use the "HRH" titles and they're styled instead as a Son and Daughter of an Earl - since Edward has an Earldom. In the case of Anne, it wasn't automatic for her kids though AFAIK she wouldn't have wanted it, her husband(s) would have been offered Earldoms when they married her too, if accepted then their kids would be styled like Edwards kids are - "Viscount" & "Lady".

A few generations ago Great Grandchildren via a male line would also be Princes/Princesses albeit "HH" rather than "HRH" (though those whose grandparent then becomes Monarch would become HRH). These days it is only William's kids who get Prince/Princess and "HRH" titles.

So, for example, Harry's kid would have been Prince/"HH" back in the day but under current rules he isn't, he is, however (as the son of a duke) entitled to use one of his father's lesser titles as a courtesy title - so could be an Earl or a Baron, but they've chosen to just use "Master" instead (at least for the moment, he's still due to inherit the Dukedom when Harry dies).

Back in the day though Archie would be "HH Prince Archie" and once Charles is on the thrown he'd be "HRH Prince Archie" as the grandson via a male line.
 
Ken's with Barby no ?

Why she thinks Oprah will provide redemption for her career,
looking back at the illustrious list of prior candidates, most on a downward trajetory - Ferguson / Jackson / Lance, it could backfire, Obama being the exception (why - Michelle convinced him ?)
Has Saturday night live taken her on - Alec Baldwins trump was good.
 
ianh said:
Fact - She has a terrible family history with her father, cutting him off and isolating him so that he has never seen his grandchild.
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You ever wonder why she has terrible history with her father and why that might perhaps mean that she doesn't want anything to do with him?
I'm sure him doing paid for interviews to reveal family history (his version) and then selling private letters to the press really endeared him to her on top of that and totally reassured her that he wouldn't be monetising his time with the grandkids by selling pictures and stories...

Also did she insist on Harry moving to the US, or did Harry get fed up with dealing with the British press that it's no secret he largely despises, and when he wanted to not deal with them as much make the decision to try and avoid them with the result that the move to the US was possibly one way of doing it.

I note you've skipped over the rumours of a rift between Harry and William meaning he might have wanted some distance and about the only way you can do that in some instances is to put a lot of physical distance between yourself and the other party.

I'm no huge fan of the royals, and Harry has been an utter prat in the past, but at the same time I can see a lot of similarities in how the press have gone after Meghan and other people that have refused to play the games the gutter press like.
I've also noted the whole thing where people are very willing to complain about the royals not doing enough/being a drain on the public purse/there being too many of them but also at the same time going after Harry when he decided to basically try and be a little independent.
 
Werewolf said:
Also did she insist on Harry moving to the US, or did Harry get fed up with dealing with the British press that it's no secret he largely despises, and when he wanted to not deal with them as much make the decision to try and avoid them with the result that the move to the US was possibly one way of doing it.
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That's what Harry told James Corden the other night, it was his choice not Meghans because of how the media were treating them.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
That's what Harry told James Corden the other night, it was his choice not Meghans because of how the media were treating them.
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And considering it killed his mother, I can see why one would flee the UK press and want to control your own media interaction rather than be at the behest of the royalty.
 
Werewolf said:
I'm no huge fan of the royals
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I don't know why people pay them so much attention, tbh.

They are celebrities, and people bow and courtesy, but really, why does anyone care..? They aren't going away and neither are their related costs/benefits.

But following their personal lives just seems like an even bigger waste of time than lurking in GD :p

And yet how many column inches are printed about them and how many people follow their every move with such enthusiasm! Honestly have no idea why.
 
hurfdurf said:
And considering it killed his mother, I can see why one would flee the UK press and want to control your own media interaction rather than be at the behest of the royalty.
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Nah his mother and her boyfriend were killed by their drunk driver traveling at 90mph in the middle of a city + their lack of seatbelts.

"the media" didn't make anyone drive off recklessly or drink or not put on their seatbelts.... in fact the guy driving and the father of the boyfriend were the ones responsible for the media being tipped off in the first place.

Top tip - if you're being driven at 90mph through a city then best wear a seatbelt and if you're some high-status rich person with a personal driver you're easily able to tell them to slow down if/when they drive too fast (and/or you're quite possibly responsible for them speeding up too), not just for your sake but for that of other road users too. It's pretty arrogant/privileged to risk the lives of everyone else on the road simply to avoid having your photo taken.
 
True enough.

Doing 2-3x speed limit with a drunk driver inside a city is pretty reprehensible. Wearing a seatbelt is also highly recommended for health purposes.

Those facts were considered small beans compared to the value of milking the emotional drama and crackpot opinions.
 
And not forgetting that Prince Phillip paid that drunk driver to kill himself and his two passengers.
He also paid the Paramedics just in case they didn't die and then paid the hospital staff to finish them off just in case.
I know because I watched a You Tube video.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
That's what Harry told James Corden the other night, it was his choice not Meghans because of how the media were treating them.
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Well he's not going to come out and say his wife's in charge or that they fancied living the celeb life across the Atlantic rather than a working Royal in the UK.
 
Joxeon said:
Well he's not going to come out and say his wife's in charge or that they fancied living the celeb life across the Atlantic rather than a working Royal in the UK.
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Well he did say he wanted to move away and to step back.
I'm amazed that people are so gullible they believe Harry hasn't got his own mind and this young woman has got a hold over him :)
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Well he did say he wanted to move away and to step back.
I'm amazed that people are so gullible they believe Harry hasn't got his own mind and this young woman has got a hold over him :)
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Stepping back isn't going on Oprah though or doing the interview with JC, people had largely forgot about them but now they're back in all the papers again.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
Well he did say he wanted to move away and to step back.
I'm amazed that people are so gullible they believe Harry hasn't got his own mind and this young woman has got a hold over him :)
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I think everyone knows Harry didn't really enjoy the Public part of Royal Life so it's understandable that, once he was given a reason (Megan's treatment) he could use that to step away. I think very few people have an issue with that. What most people seem to have an issue with is the perceived hypocrisy that "stepping away" from the Royals didn't mean opting for a quiet life away from the media but instead actually meant moving to Hollywood, signing Netflix deals, doing Oprah/JC etc and understandably lots of people are thinking "is that the action of Harry, someone who dislikes media, or is this PR blitz something his new wife, who is very media savvy, is pushing for instead?"

I genuinely think that, had Harry/Megan just left public life behind, stayed in Canada (or similar) without doing big Hollywood PR deals, shunned the press and lived a quiet life out in the countryside, most people wouldn't have had much of an issue with that outcome once they saw it was the real deal and not just a gimmick. I mean there will always be "anti's" who will hate everything they do but I really do believe that the vast majority of the UK would have understood and interest in them would have waned, but as we all know thats the complete opposite of whats happened.

So while I think Harry has a strong enough mind to know what he wants (the "negative" press to just go away), he also loves his wife and will do anything to make her happy, so if she says "come on, lets go to Hollywood. Its nice there, everyone will love you and the press can be controlled far easier" of course he's going to jump at that.
 
Joxeon said:
Stepping back isn't going on Oprah though or doing the interview with JC, people had largely forgot about them but now their back in all the papers again.
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because they need money talking about their new projects.
Out of 17 minutes of the Corden interview there was one question on why he got out of it and another about what the Queen bought Archie for Christmas, the other 16 minutes was just normal stuff.

Update:
Piers Morgan is having a right go at them agreeing with you and I normally agree with Piers so I've changed my mind :)
 
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They're both just wannabe celebrities, it's nothing about privacy they just want to create their own brand rather than being known as third rate Royal's.
 
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