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Kepler before Xmas! (Maybe)

If both vendors can get their cards on shelves in December it could be an interesting Christmas. Somehow though i don't see it happening. Just about every other week the info is changing to Jan\Feb then back to December.
 
If what that article is saying is correct however, it basically means that the channel is being cleared - i.e. no new stock coming out... that would kinda suggest that something's in the pipeline, right?
 
I doubt any of the the high end parts will be out for Christmas from both of them, but Nvidia did manage to put out the 580 out before the 6970.
 
Kitguru are regularly wrong but occasionally right and with the news first.

Thing is, its unlikely, theres rumours of new 560ti parts, further cut down 570gtx's launching soon which doesn't gel too well with the idea of new gen parts. Also no where else has even considered Kepler high end coming for months, with several fairly convincing sources suggesting that high end Kepler hadn't taped out as of maybe a month ago, which still puts it some 4 months out, minimum.

Kepler low end being out soon is very possible, but price cuts as suggested would also happen if AMD had new cards coming out and Nvidia simply had to slash prices to not be ridiculous. IE if there was a 7950 from £200-250, that was 40-50% faster than a 580gtx, and a 570gtx still cost £270?

Considering no one has even suggested in a hint of fantasy, not any Nvidia fanboy news sites that there was even a chance for high end Kepler soon, price slashes for impending AMD parts, which almost every site agree's is almost here is significantly more likely.

In fact the only news we've had on soon to come Nvidia parts, except for a possible new 560ti, was a delay of 6-8 weeks for most of Nvidia's new gen parts, which hints to a pretty much certain new spin being done as a new spin pushes everything back 6-8 weeks, which would make it even less likely for stuff to appear this year.
 
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That article just reads as speculation for Nvidia price drops: They don't even claim to have any evidence beyond speculation! The closest they get is this little gem:

Right now, the people we’ve spoken to in the UK channel have confirmed that it ‘feels like nVidia is flushing the channel, ahead of a new launch’.

So some unnamed people have 'confirmed' that it "feels" like a new launch is coming... soon? That's just terrible :p They could have at least pretended they had some super-secret source!

I can't see any Kepler series parts emerging before 2012 - unless Nvidia releases some mid-low end 28nm Fermi-derivative parts and calls them Kepler.
 
That article just reads as speculation for Nvidia price drops: They don't even claim to have any evidence beyond speculation! The closest they get is this little gem:



So some unnamed people have 'confirmed' that it "feels" like a new launch is coming... soon? That's just terrible :p They could have at least pretended they had some super-secret source!

I can't see any Kepler series parts emerging before 2012 - unless Nvidia releases some mid-low end 28nm Fermi-derivative parts and calls them Kepler.

Wait, you mean you didn't click on their link for proof, a 580gtx at the stunning price of, £370 :o which is exactly where its been for........ages, I've never been more convinced of anything in my life :p
 
Yeah much more likely they will be killing prices to try and put a damper on AMD new product launches.

And while nVidia have been claiming a 28nm part around November for awhile, I suspect if this does appear it will be a low end part, I'd like to think I'd know about a major product launch this soon and I've heard nothing to suggest such.
 
Yeah much more likely they will be killing prices to try and put a damper on AMD new product launches.

And while nVidia have been claiming a 28nm part around November for awhile, I suspect if this does appear it will be a low end part, I'd like to think I'd know about a major product launch this soon and I've heard nothing to suggest such.

Afaik all info was pointing towards some 28nm low end stuff to be launched potentially before xmas, it is a little unclear if this is purely die shrunk low end stuff of Kepler low end, to be honest I don't think there would be an awful lot of difference. In reality the biggest chance in Kepler will be number of shaders as it should really just build off Fermi in terms of architecture.

Same way low end AMD/Nvidia has been the lowest shader count possible depending on the granularity of the architecture, thats meant 80 shaders for AMD for, 3 generations or is it 4, hell, 5, I can't remember, I know 4/5/6 series all had 80 shader parts.

In other words, low end Kepler could be low end Fermi + pci-e 3 with very very few other real changes... it could be completely different, who knows, or it could actually BE a Fermi and they just call it kepler :p


However its those low end that have seemingly slipped as apparently the sample dates, first sample, retail sample, test bits that go out have all been pushed back what amounts to a single respins worth of time so its looking increasingly unlikely even those bits will launch this year....... well, have any availability this year.
 
This is the first time in a long time that I have been genuinely excited about a gfx card launch. Three of the modern games i love need a bit more brute power and either of these newer cards would do the job just nicely!
 
I'd agree something is going on, OCUK doing the GTX570 for £240 on today only, a new GTX 560Ti rumoured that seems it will consume a lot of spare GTX570/580 dies.

Nvidia seem selling clearing out inventory. That may be because they have cards ready to launch or because they want to clear out before AMD launch.

Either way after getting stung with stock dumping what I got what I thought was a bargain HD2900 Pro which would clock to XT speeds just as the new ATI and Nvidia cards were on the way... I'll stick with the GTX280 until Q2 when the dust settles.

I'm sure it will see me through HL EP1 and EP2 as I play through my impulse purchase back catalogue.

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hehe, yes, what seems like bargain basement pricing right before a new launch is infact, "get as high a price as you can while shifting as much stock as possible before we put the REAL bargain pricing up".

That's why the "deals" in the month or two before new cards seem good but are actually pretty damn bad and why in general my advice will be, new cards, buy EOL last gen or new gen, either is good value(usually not far off for price/performance except this last gen, old gen £150, new gen almost twice as fast £300, not far off same price/£). First 6 months after new cards are out, still good value, you'll still have a decent amount of time before new cards come. 6-9 months after launch, I'd seriously seriously consider if you can hold on to the new gen for a few months.

Generally speaking if you weren't desperate to upgrade in the first 6 months, the second 6 months shouldn't be a problem. 9-12 months, terrible terrible time to buy, anything from 6-12 weeks later you're going to be able to buy the same cards at half the cost, or have almost double the performance for the same cost. Again if you waiting 9 months with whatever you had before, theres even less chance you have to upgrade because new stuff is completely unplayable.

I got a 6950 on launch for £190, I can pretty much pay the same price today, but if I did probably in a month it would be worth £100-120 brand new, this ignoring that mine unlocked to 6970 and early cards are often pretty good clockers/pcb's/memory.


It would actually be REALLY interesting if high end kepler's launched without any forewarning and with every leak being entirely wrong, it would probably mean better pricing all around, slightly, and frankly the sooner new cards are out the better all around. I just can't really see it with Nvidia's track record for a few years now with shrinks, getting it wrong and needing respins/delays. They've got to get it right sometime though?
 
So wheres the sweet spot today and is it worth waiting until christmas to see if we get any new launches? i want to upgrade my cpu and gpu but it could be a case of wait until christmas... wait until easter... at some point im going to have to take the plunge.
 
There's no sweet spot today, all the current cards are all overpriced imo.

As DM pointed out, £190 for a 6950 on release, look at the prices now!

Slapping a fancy cooler on top doesn't add up to £70(Toxic):eek: onto the price he paid!

Upgrade your cpu just now and that leaves you time to save up for the gpu.
 
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