Kitchen downlights

whats worng with these?
I think better bulbs, can be had separately, with >1 yr guarantee, but you need to handle the cage to see if it is well made,
the stupid ones in my bathroom, have lense bezels that lock in with small plastic indents and it took maybe 30minutes to change a bulb the one time I had to, and re-engage them.
 
I guess I'm used to thinking 4000k is a little yellow, but that's possibly being too literal. Having now actually checked, my Hue's at 4000k (ish) are perfect for the look of my house.

Thanks!

Now you've mapped it all out, what you're saying makes a lot of sense. My worktops will come out 650mm from the wall, but having lights in the positions you have placed them works nicely. Only thing that bugs me is the off-line fitting near the fridge/freezer. Hmmm. Yeah, I can see how it bugs people, but if you pull all of the others out to match this, you'll get shadows on the worktop area where you're working form your body and the light won't be in the right place, then if you bring that single fitting in, then you'll just mainly light the top of the unit.

Honestly don't worry about it, with the white bezels you'll hardly notice. I have various steps all over the kitchen ceiling for the spots and it hasn't bothered me once...... And I'm quite OCD.


I have a myriad of options, but the Flos Glo Ball are currently winning. Or I might get a spider pendant made up, depending on how it all looks.
Oooohhhh I like those, will go take a look at some more pictures to see how they'd look in ours.

NB. Every room in my house (apart from the kitchen) will have 40cm light cubes dotted around, throwing nicely diffused light from Philips Hue bulbs, so ambient lighting is pretty sorted. Just ceilings, really. Awesome, it's good to have a selection of lights for different moods and you've planned it out well.

Would you go spots in lounge (etc) or hang pendants?
Well....... I have spots in the lounge, but it's purely around the perimeter to light up the wall art with a 2nd line of them going infront of the curtains (still not installed these yet). These are the ZEP6 darklights, so the shadows around the wall work perfectly as it highlights the art.

Our lounge is also a cinema room so I wanted a clean look and nothing to obscure the project that's on the ceiling at the back of the room. Although with all the rip out and install of the new kitchen, we're also redoing the lounge and will be mounting one of these on the back wall to give a nice warm glow when we don't want teh spots on.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Steampun...hash=item1ededb9746:m:mCIuWpaCFvgKXvaZiNGJz0Q

With the lounge area, definitely get warm 2700k lights, it'll give a more cosy relaxing feeling.


Ooooo... I can use one of those PSUs and have the strips mains-dimmable from a normal dimmer unit?!
Yes should work perfectly for that!

I really want to get rid of ceiling spots, but I don't have cabinets all around the perimeter, so I don't think the wash will totally work. Might be able to do away with the two down the dining room end though.
Exactly the same for me, but I might have enough to do the full wash. In the end, I'm leaving all the spot wiring in place with the PSUs removed and cables just joined with quick release Wago connectors. I'll mark down where the joists are and measurements in my notebook and spots can just be cut out and added if needed in the future.

That's very good of you, thanks!

Okay... explain the darklights to me. The inside is painted black so you don't get stray light bouncing around? That simple or more to it?
Pretty much that, but as the light engine itself is mounted further back into the fitting, you don't see it, so you've eliminated any chance of glare unless you get close to it.

The darklight ZEP1 work well in my parents kitchen and we have normal ZEP1 in ours. Essentially the normal ones are excellent, but they are more disperse than the darklights and I do prefer the look of those in my parents kitchen. Either way though they'll work perfect well and you can always have the spots off and just use the undercounter, hood and above unit strips to give a different effect. Call it party mode :D

Okay then, you've made some valid points in life expectancy and possibly warranty but IP rated I am unconvinced how much of a difference that would make in what choice I personally would go for.

But the massive standout factor is the UPFRONT COST!. Quick google suggests that a Zep1 is almost £50-70 per light!

If true, In my example I would have blown a maximum £2,800 in total JUST ON a light fitting..... That's a ludicrous amount of money on a LED light, it should be gold plated at that price.

Whereas I spent like £320 in total, plus I might have gone for longer life bulbs.

Therefore, I would still rate the Ansell being the better buy but ultimately it is up to the OP on this.

Like I said in an earlier post, ignore what you see on the web, those are not accurate costs in the slightest. You're looking at 60% of that price band, so in effect not an awful lot more than those Ansall fittings.

So with that cost factored in you're getting a far superior architectural grade fitting vs cheaper consumer GU10 stuff, with the specs, quality and warranty to back it up.
 
I would never go expensive on LEDs personally.
They still have loads of development to go through, they are still vastly inefficient at producing visible light, its just they are many magnitudes better than what we had before.

The other thing is, just like TVs, is that there are only so many manufacturers of lots of the components. TV panels have very few manufacturers, the elctronics etc around them are the different controlling the same panel.

A significant part of the marketing of premium brands is perceived quality rather than actual quality. Often very expensive premium "professional" items are made side by side in factories producing "cheap" consumer grade items.

If you were putting lights 40 feet up in the air where you would need to hire in specialised equipment to be able to get access then lifespan is certainly an issue, if its a simple pull out bulb and replace with maybe a chair depending on your height and your ceiling height I don't think lifespan is much of an issue for consumers.

Most LED stuff is currently just mimicking existing tech. Most of these packages are way to large for whats needed. Just like car bulbs have stopped using generic bulb shapes I am sure LEDS will do them same.
 
Spoke with Guy @ Ecoled and he's a very knowledgeable chap. Certainly worth spending some time with him to understand not just their products but the importance of lighting design and where money should be spent, if you want a certain result.

Good news: I like their products and what they can do for me. Bad news: Zep1 are out of stock, which leaves me with Zep1 Mini or Zep 6. And that gets eye-wateringly expensive.

I'm sold on doing something clever with my kitchen/diner, but less so in my lounge - I don't see the need for spots here, there and everywhere.

Without knowing fully what is going on the walls and where I might have bookcases (etc) it's hard to gauge how well spots would work. And if I got anything like the effect shown here it would not work with the intended 'look' of the property.
 
Spoke with Guy @ Ecoled and he's a very knowledgeable chap. Certainly worth spending some time with him to understand not just their products but the importance of lighting design and where money should be spent, if you want a certain result.

Good news: I like their products and what they can do for me. Bad news: Zep1 are out of stock, which leaves me with Zep1 Mini or Zep 6. And that gets eye-wateringly expensive.

I'm sold on doing something clever with my kitchen/diner, but less so in my lounge - I don't see the need for spots here, there and everywhere.

Without knowing fully what is going on the walls and where I might have bookcases (etc) it's hard to gauge how well spots would work. And if I got anything like the effect shown here it would not work with the intended 'look' of the property.

Bah that's a pity.

On a serious note, if you wanted x6 ZEP1 then I'm pulling out all 12 of mine. I'll be keeping the ones that fought off the water and there's at least 7/8 that were nowhere near the water infiltration.

A couple of years old and not used a lot (mainly use task lighting and island pendants), so probably a good 48k of the 50k hours left on them going by the life expectancy rating .

And these being the standard ones have a larger lightigl angle so no effect on the walls like you linked to.
 
I know, it's really bloody annoying. I won't reveal pricing on the Zep6 as Guy asked me not to, but suffice to say (as you know) they aren't cheap. Granted they look amazing, particularly the Eyeconic/Trimless range, but those prices... I'd be over a grand for just one room and that doesn't seem right.

Zep1 seem to be the ideal product, but they have none available and no ETA for when they will. I might have to look at something like the Haler H2 Pro, which @a1ex2001 mentioned.

Alternatively if anyone has any suggestions for 4000k, wide-ish angle, diffused light and decent CRI, I'm all ears. I have my sparky in this and next week, so can have him wire accordingly!
 
I use Highline Lighting for all my LED strips. There's a huge array of strip types, colours (obvs stick with 3000-3500K) and they come with IP rated coatings. Plus there's a selection of cheaper IP20 PSUs or better rated sealed units (smaller). You can get dimmable PSUs for these lights.

https://www.hiline-lighting.co.uk/gb/

Strips, IP65
https://www.hiline-lighting.co.uk/g...d-strip-smd2835-144w-cri80-5060440711190.html

Dimmable PSUs
https://www.hiline-lighting.co.uk/gb/84-mains-dimmable
Then just add some LED profile cheaply. I found some Hafele stuff on ebay cheap.

I'm also going for a large ceiling wash with strips ontop of the cabinets, just ensure your plasterer and paint finish up top notch, as uplit strips will show off imperfections.

I'll be using Highlines 14.4W/m2 strips for uplighting and currently have a 5m strip sitting against the lower web of our exposed RSJ firing upwards. It gives a good effect and nearly gives enough light (along with task lighting), to not need spots anymore. This is in a 3.5m x 6m kitchen area. With the new set of units I'll put more strips up high so might eliminate the need for spots altogether.
I have been doing a think and wanted to pick your brains about LED strips...

Ecoled recommended their Mini Nova, which is 120LEDS/m, 10W/m and an output of 819Lm/m. I'll need around 6.5m in total, to cover both the underneath of the cabinets and then the tops as well. They recommended an 80W driver for both strips.

Hi-Line have two products which are similar.

Natural White LED Strip - 120LEDS/m, 28.8W/m and a staggering 2640Lm/m!
Natural White LED Strip - 60LEDs/m, 14.4W/m and 1320Lm/m.

For the latter option, it looks like I'd either need a 100W driver or a 150W driver, depending on which page on their site you read.

I'm thinking that the 60LEDs/m strip from Hi-Line is going to be plenty for my needs... any thoughts?

And on the profile front... how flat can I realistically go, with a nice milky/opal diffuser? I've found stuff around 7mm with a diffuser, just wondering if I can and if I should go thinner.

PS. I owe you an email, which I will sort later.
 
Hungover me has been doing another think... would the bonkers 2640Lm/m strips be sufficient to wash the ceiling, if positioned to fire upwards from the cabinet tops, and forgo spots?
 
Right then. Progress is slowly being made with my kitchen (well, the entire house) and I'm thinking about LED profile. Need to make a decision by end of October... which seems a long time but, well, I'm indecisive.

I am definitely going for under-cabinet lighting and strongly considering running the same on top of the cabinets, to wash the ceiling. What profile(s) would people recommend?

I'm torn between something slim (like this) which will sit towards the front of the cabinets, or an angled profile (like this) which would go up against the walls.

Pros and cons of each? There are no edges to the units, so whatever goes underneath might be seen. Need to minimise that if possible as don't want glare.
 
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