Labour plans to lower minimum age of voting

[Rofflay]

I think i was a complete idiot when i was 18. Looking back now i would hate to be having a political discussion with myself. So i would probably rather see the age raised for other areas too and voting kept at 18.


Although you know why Labour want to do this because dirty tricks are Labours game. I actually get mad when i think of the reasons they want the age lowered, Because naive people tend to vote Labour and older people tend to be more conservative. It is the same game with immigration, Immigrants vote Labour and that is why the country has been flooded with them. Give Labour another 100 years with thier dirty tricks and demographic altering and they will be calling all the shots. That makes me want to puke... They aint doing this for "Liberal" reasons.

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

Wow.

 

[Mynight]

Wow.

I think that sums up my response as well....

It's only took 21 posts before it was mentioned .

 

[Dr House]

18 year olds done bother to go and vote, I can't see many 16 year olds spending the time to vote.

But I would rather it was kept at 18.

 

[Stretch]

When you consider the things we allow 16 and 17 year olds to do without a vote it seems unbalanced that they can't vote.

We trust them to enlist in military surface, to get married, have kids, have jobs, pay taxes, and drive. I'm sure there are other examples.

Either they are adults in the law or not. If they are adult enough to pay tax they're adult enough to have a say in who decides what those taxes are.

Everyone has to pay tax regardless of age.

The vast majority of 16 year olds are too impressionable and naive. Their decisions would be bassed primerily on trendy Facebook/twitter spam, rather than any serious concideration of policy.

Yes, you can say the same about any age group, but you need to draw to line somewhere.

Voting isn't like a personal descisions to take a dangerous job or enter into long term relationship. It's a decision that effects everyone.

 

[McBain]

lol, Labour.

 

[GAC]

for more lolness labour

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-minimum-wage-pledge-4297310

min wage up up fair enough but promising £8 an hour is just in cloud coocoo land, i really think labours going to implode big time soon.

 

[Mynight]

for more lolness labour

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-minimum-wage-pledge-4297310

min wage up up fair enough but promising £8 an hour is just in cloud coocoo land, i really think labours going to implode big time soon.

As long as they don take the country with them then the sooner the better.

Then again that would leave us with libdem, green on the left wing side to choose from hardly a choice is it.

 

[Randomface74]

I'd rather raise it to 21 tbh.
And while we're at it let's raise alcohol to 21.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

When you consider the things we allow 16 and 17 year olds to do without a vote it seems unbalanced that they can't vote.

We trust them to enlist in military surface, to get married, have kids, have jobs, pay taxes, and drive. I'm sure there are other examples.

Either they are adults in the law or not. If they are adult enough to pay tax they're adult enough to have a say in who decides what those taxes are.

Well said, and it's the same reason why I think that they should be allowed to vote. These laws directly effect them, and if they're not in school then their life after 18 will probably not but massively different to that of when they're 16.

I have heard it being on the agenda before. It would be nice for someone to actually take it seriously, whichever party does end up pushing it. This all really assumes that Labour do win the next election, which I'm not convinced of.

Estebanrey makes a good point, though. Is 16 really the right age for any major decisions? I don't really know the answer to that, but I feel a lot more like my decisions at 24 are better considered than they were at 16.

 

[Monkeynut]

for more lolness labour

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-minimum-wage-pledge-4297310

min wage up up fair enough but promising £8 an hour is just in cloud coocoo land, i really think labours going to implode big time soon.

Ah well my employer can't pay this so I suppose Ed Miliband wants me to vote for him to put me out of a job?

 

[jono_astra]

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[jono_astra]

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[Monkeynut]

but then because more money is being paid, more price's will rise. So it would be tough on employers at first but will level out in the end.

Am I actually richer though if all prices are rising?

 

[GAC]

it would be great hell id benefit from it but i think it would be too much to do all at once. hell jumping to £7 an hour oct next year would be a hard enough let alone £1.50 an hour extra.

yes it would drop the working tax credits bill BUT care homes and the like that charge the gov will bang their bills up. and yes carers should get more i dont argue with that. its just the whole knock on effect hasnt been thought out fully and i think its just ed trying to hide gordon browns speeches the last week with random static.

 

[Mynight]

but then because more money is being paid, more price's will rise. So it would be tough on employers at first but will level out in the end.

Depends what the employer does really. If say idk niche software no one extra will buy it than normal and price rises make force some customers elsewhere.

Knock on effect of monkey it looses his job goes on benifits until he can get a new job. Presumably many employers will be having the same issue in not being able to afford to hire thus stop hiring forcing monkey to stay on dole for longer.


Raise at inflation yeah ok but £8+ is rather high.

As you say a min wage increase generally equals a higher cost of items. Who's actually better off then? Other than the more diverse competitors of the business that just closed as a result.

 

[dirtychinchilla]

for more lolness labour

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-minimum-wage-pledge-4297310

min wage up up fair enough but promising £8 an hour is just in cloud coocoo land, i really think labours going to implode big time soon.

We should be raising the minimum wage. In London, at least, it doesn't necessarily reflect the cost of living. The government have a responsibility to ensure that people aren't forced to live below the without doing unreasonable hours in a typical family situation.

 

[jono_astra]

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[Angilion]

Well, it makes a difference in so far as young people are generally idiots and allowing them to make a difference to other peoples lives is craziness.

That criticism could be (and has been) applied to democracy in general. Anyone who's been involved in democratic politics has seen many examples of it.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

He also said, equally correctly in my opinion, that "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

I think the idea particularly appeals to Labour because younger voters are more likely to vote Labour.

 

[Angilion]

for more lolness labour

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed-miliband-minimum-wage-pledge-4297310

min wage up up fair enough but promising £8 an hour is just in cloud coocoo land, i really think labours going to implode big time soon.

I don't see a timescale in that promise. A 23% increase over how many years?

In any case, a promise from a politician rather unlikely to be in a position to do anything about it even if they wanted to is worth a bent ha'penny at best. A promise from one who does become PM is worth little more than that.

EDIT: My mistake - there is a timescale. I've been working too many hours for too little pay - it's addled my brain! So he's promising to increase the minimum wage by 4.2% annually (23% total over 5 years). That's not as dramatic as it's being made out to be.