Lad breaks into a house and is killed...

[Azagoth]

Corporal punishment should never be allowed. It would have caused more harm than good (if any) if it was still around when I went to school.

Rubbish, it never caused any trouble when I, and many other people here, were at school. In fact, it did more good than bad and that's speaking as someone who can still feel the sting of many a good caning. So why it should be any different when you were at school s beyond me.

Anyway, you come across as one of those wishy washy liberals who advocate sitting down and talking to the violent little scrotes before rewarding them with Playstations and holidays. When in reality, a good dose of corporal punishment would sort them out in no time.

 

[Chimerical]

Rubbish, it never caused any trouble when I, and many other people here, were at school. In fact, it did more good than bad and that's speaking as someone who can still feel the sting of many a good caning. So why it should be any different when you were at school s beyond me.

Anyway, you come across as one of those wishy washy liberals who advocate sitting down and talking to the violent little scrotes before rewarding them with Playstations and holidays. When in reality, a good dose of corporal punishment would sort them out in no time.

Nope. Wrong. Beating a kid simply imbues resentment and has far worse connotations and more complexities to it than the rather simplistic "benefits" that you put forward.

I do actually believe these kids should be talked to, rather than hitting them.

 

[Von Smallhausen]

Corporal punishment should never be allowed. It would have caused more harm than good (if any) if it was still around when I went to school.

Yet school standards and discipline seem to have fallen since it was abolished.

 

[uber soldat]

Nope. Wrong. Beating a kid simply imbues resentment and has far worse connotations and more complexities to it than the rather simplistic "benefits" that you put forward.

I do actually believe these kids should be talked to, rather than hitting them.

Do you have to troll every non-PC thread? The air must be awfully thin up there on your high horse.

 

[Azagoth]

Nope. Wrong. Beating a kid simply imbues resentment and has far worse connotations and more complexities to it than the rather simplistic "benefits" that you put forward.

So, how do you explain the fact that when corporal punishment was allowed in schools this sort of violent crime was pretty sparse, yes it happened but not on the same scale as today. You didn't have the gangs of feral youths roaming the streets on the prowl just looking for a target like you do today.

Then, fast forward until labour and the loony left brigade banned the use of the cane in schools and no sooner as it been taken away these little **** are allowed to do whatever they want to with no fear of any recourse at all. Hell, as mentioned a few posts above, when a teacher even tries to just talk to them they get assaulted. Now when I was at school, you never struck a teacher because you knew what you'd be getting in the very near future if you did.

 

[Sudden]

Rubbish, it never caused any trouble when I, and many other people here, were at school. In fact, it did more good than bad and that's speaking as someone who can still feel the sting of many a good caning. So why it should be any different when you were at school s beyond me.

Seconded. It was just ending when I was in my final couple of years of school. I do believe that it instilled a sense of discipline in us and kept it there. Just because its through fear of not being caned again, doesn't make it wrong.

For example, I remember one instance where the teacher had gone out and the class was becoming pretty rowdy - just in terms of lot of noise, kids going out and playing in hallways etc. Loud enough that the vice-principal many buildings away could hear us. He told our class teacher, who just came in, told everyone to get out, and caned everyone in the class one by one.

After that, class was silent, with or without a teacher When it started becoming rowdy, one student would just have to remind them of our wonderful class teacher, and the class was silent again.

All set and done, it was effective

 

[KNiVES]

So, how do you explain the fact that when corporal punishment was allowed in schools this sort of violent crime was pretty sparse, yes it happened but not on the same scale as today. You didn't have the gangs of feral youths roaming the streets on the prowl just looking for a target like you do today.

Then, fast forward until labour and the loony left brigade banned the use of the cane in schools and no sooner as it been taken away these little **** are allowed to do whatever they want to with no fear of any recourse at all. Hell, as mentioned a few posts above, when a teacher even tries to just talk to them they get assaulted. Now when I was at school, you never struck a teacher because you knew what you'd be getting in the very near future if you did.

You must be barking mad if you think the banning of caning led to delinquency today. In fact, the amount of delinquents today hasn't gotten any higher than it was thirty, forty, even fifty years ago. You always have people saying 'it was never this bad before' and then going on to blame a certain trivial factor for the perceived rise in delinquency. Your posts are a perfect example of that. It seems you almost believe people need to be caned to have a sense of discipline too.

Through the centuries, people have said society is getting worse and worse. If they were all true, we would be in an anarchistic society ravaged by hoodlums smashing everything up and poor innocents hiding under their tables. This isn't the case. It's just a bah-humbug syndrome that some people are sporting here.

 

[RDM]

Through the centuries, people have said society is getting worse and worse. If they were all true, we would be in an anarchistic society ravaged by hoodlums smashing everything up and poor innocents hiding under their tables. This isn't the case. It's just a bah-humbug syndrome that some people are sporting here.

Part of the problem may well be that the % of deliquents has remained pretty much stable, but as the population has increased greatly the actual incidence has increased and is impacting more people due to proximity.

 

[Andy]

Whether the cause psycological or Social, good riddance and may a lesson be learnt

 

[Chimerical]

Do you have to troll every non-PC thread? The air must be awfully thin up there on your high horse.

Ha. Typical. You don't like the opinion being put across so you automatically denote it as trolling.

In case you hadn't noticed, I don't post in "every non-PC" thread as my daily postcount would have to be much higher than it currently is to suggest that.

 

[Chimerical]

So, how do you explain the fact that when corporal punishment was allowed in schools this sort of violent crime was pretty sparse, yes it happened but not on the same scale as today. You didn't have the gangs of feral youths roaming the streets on the prowl just looking for a target like you do today.

Then, fast forward until labour and the loony left brigade banned the use of the cane in schools and no sooner as it been taken away these little **** are allowed to do whatever they want to with no fear of any recourse at all. Hell, as mentioned a few posts above, when a teacher even tries to just talk to them they get assaulted. Now when I was at school, you never struck a teacher because you knew what you'd be getting in the very near future if you did.

Yet school standards and discipline seem to have fallen since it was abolished.

No facts or sources plus what I percieve to be rose-tinted spectacles usually equates to "back in my day" arguments such as this.

Violent crime was pretty sparse? Yeah, okay. Since when has that ever been "pretty sparse"? Also, you're making the statement that teachers get assaulted for trying to talk to kids? What?

 

[ChroniC]

I'm making no assumptions about all thieves being psychologically unstable, I very specifically included the word "some" to signify a proportion of the whole grouping.

The sentences there are at two extreme ends of the spectrum, death or community service. Do you have evidence that the death penalty works as a deterrant?

The biggest problem it would appear to me is simply that the clear-up rates for crime in general are not high enough, I don't think that the sentences generally are inadequate but if your risk of getting caught is low then the risk of punishment is even lower and therefore on a risk/benefit analysis (for the criminals who do so) it scarcely matters how harsh the punishments are if you are never likely to get caught.

Of course i dont have evidence, its never been tried, however i suppose a small comparison at best would be, being shot for desertion. It worked to a degree, and that was getting people to risk their lives, all im asking is that you dont steal, so really your much more likely to do it.

 

[RDM]

Violent crime was pretty sparse? Yeah, okay. Since when has that ever been "pretty sparse"?

1939 to 1945, violent crime dropped considerably in the UK during that time!

 

[Chimerical]

1939 to 1945, violent crime dropped considerably in the UK during that time!

And all it took was a world war to distract us from stabbing and beating each other up.

 

[_lecro_]

I 2nd that Freefaller..
the jeremy Kyle generation needs a dam good slap IMHO

Dohh seem to have missed a few posts

Bring back nation service !! woot ..

 

[Meridian]

1939 to 1945, violent crime dropped considerably in the UK during that time!

No it didn't. Available evidence suggested it surged (particularly crimes of violence) but a) the government hushed the figures up "for the national good" and b) the shortage of police (many joined the armed forces) meant that much of it was never recorded.


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[Deluxe1]

Nope. Wrong. Beating a kid simply imbues resentment and has far worse connotations and more complexities to it than the rather simplistic "benefits" that you put forward.

I do actually believe these kids should be talked to, rather than hitting them.

I had the cane a few times during my school years and believe me it hurt and i did deserve it but have i harboured any resentment or has it had any negative knock on effects? Nope it hasnt.

Kids today have no fear and just think they can do as they please,a good hard lashing is what they need if they seriously step out of line.

 

[DrDee]

It would be good if those arguing a bit of Corporal punishment would work wonders could cite some evidence that isn't purely from a self perspective, and used, gee, I dunno, science, figures, facts, maybe even cite a paper that's been peer reviewed?

Or is that a bit to much for GD, to actually use science and facts instead of blabbering on with the "back in my day!!" geriatrics.

 

[Sudden]

But surely those facts and figures would arise from people's personal perspectives? And if so many people are saying that it has a positive fact, those figures would reflect that?

 

[DrDee]

But surely those facts and figures would arise from people's personal perspectives? And if so many people are saying that it has a positive fact, those figures would reflect that?

Child crime rates for instance are not personal, things like this aren't opinion, they're hard statistics.