Land Rover Discovery - Talk to me

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Mate of mine purchased a Discovery Sport 40k on the clock, kept jumping out of first! Went to the garage and came out with a 4.2k bill for gearbox!

Id be looking for warranty to cover all eventualities ….
 
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I’ve had two D5s now, apart from a couple of issues with a heat shield on this one and something minor on another no catastrophic failures.

Your budget is wonky though, not enough to get you the newer model hybrid with the newer engine and infotainment all miles better and falls into the old model D5 which you don’t want.

For your money I’d buy a D4, there’s some fabulous examples out there, high spec and low miles, one owner etc and pocket the change for repairs. The D4 has fallen into the older car market so any failures are well known and solutions easily found cheaper than the newer models.

Assuming you mean the proper Discovery not the Sport (freelander) which is atrocious

Isn't the D4 the 4 cylinder diesel that grenades itself?

I am more surprised JLR are still in business tbh. Especially now with this whole debacle with thefts and being uninsurable.

Crazy how quickly they can fall after the L322 which was peak imo.
 
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In the very early stages of considering one of these for the next car. Never owned an 4 x 4 before but the other half has her heart set on one. Anything in particular to look out for or be aware of? We'd probably be looking at one that is around 3-4 years old. Budget is around £30-35k. Looking at a petrol model (aware these are relatively rare) as we do a lot of short journeys.
Do you and your other half live on a farm?

Or is her driving/parking soo bad that she just wants to drive up and through kerbs with a Disco?
 
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People like the idea of it more than the car itself I think.

I can understand it to be fair, love my Navara despite a fair few negatives.

Though LR/RR don't do it for me personally but I do like a decent ride height 4x4 combined with an engine with plenty of torque.
 
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Do you and your other half live on a farm?

Or is her driving/parking soo bad that she just wants to drive up and through kerbs with a Disco?

Tbf we do live in the Norfolk countryside and the roads aren't great. A lot of people have 4x4s round here and I do fancy one of some description for a bit of a change. Higher driving position, lots of storage etc. I realise I don't NEED one but by that logic I could just stick with my 2010 Octavia for another 5 years. It still works.

On the school run point the school car park is a muddy field so ironically a 4x4 would actually be useful there!

Personally I was leaning more towards the Kodiaq as it will be cheaper to buy, run and repair. Realise it is much less of a premium offering but I have had Skodas for the last decade and always been happy with them.

What other alternatives would people recommend? Tourag and XC90 are the ones that spring to mind, anything else?
 

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land rover ownership falls into a few categories

you either buy new and have zero/minimal niggles and a great experience it then waits until 3 minutes afer your warranty expires before the engine and gearbox and all electrics spontaneously combust

you buy new and its an utter piece of garbage that lives with your dealer, you put more miles on JLR courtesy vehicles than you do your own.

you buy used and suddenly find that you are single handedly funding your local JLR indies 3rd and 4th holiday homes

you cover it in orange lights and winches and go ultimate walt and join your local 4x4 rescue warm lemon squash brigade.

Rumour has it though that there is a few, if you can find them JLR products that were put together correctly and actually work perfectly well. although these are like rocking horse droppings
 
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land rover ownership falls into a few categories

you either buy new and have zero/minimal niggles and a great experience it then waits until 3 minutes afer your warranty expires before the engine and gearbox and all electrics spontaneously combust

you buy new and its an utter piece of garbage that lives with your dealer, you put more miles on JLR courtesy vehicles than you do your own.

you buy used and suddenly find that you are single handedly funding your local JLR indies 3rd and 4th holiday homes

you cover it in orange lights and winches and go ultimate walt and join your local 4x4 rescue warm lemon squash brigade.

Rumour has it though that there is a few, if you can find them JLR products that were put together correctly and actually work perfectly well. although these are like rocking horse droppings

British Leyland lives on in spirit.

I don't know how they can still be getting it wrong after all this time. Either they do it on purpose to get people back to the dealers, or it's just bad design (or penny pinching leading to poor build quality).
 
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Yeah, RR can be a total mixed bag.. We have friends with Evoques that actually neve seem to have problems, they are older ones, so Ford 2.0 ecoboost engines which are fine if looked after.

Tbf we do live in the Norfolk countryside and the roads aren't great. A lot of people have 4x4s round here and I do fancy one of some description for a bit of a change. Higher driving position, lots of storage etc. I realise I don't NEED one but by that logic I could just stick with my 2010 Octavia for another 5 years. It still works.

On the school run point the school car park is a muddy field so ironically a 4x4 would actually be useful there!

Personally I was leaning more towards the Kodiaq as it will be cheaper to buy, run and repair. Realise it is much less of a premium offering but I have had Skodas for the last decade and always been happy with them.

What other alternatives would people recommend? Tourag and XC90 are the ones that spring to mind, anything else?

Why so large an SUV? The Disco/Tourag/XC90 are huge and not ideal for country roads IMO.. the Kodiaq is good, I ordered one a few years ago (Skoda cancelled it when they rationalised their lineup)..

I'd go look at the BMW X3 M40d or M40i.. I'd almost recommend the diesel because the BMW 3 litre diesel is impeccably designed, we had one in our older X3, the only diesel the Mrs didn't have DPF issues, and ironically the one I could use the Carly app to inspect and manage the DPF if needed! The M40i is also good and have driven a couple now, great engines, very reliable, good service intervals, and the BMW X3 is a nice place to be..
 
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We own a 2019 Discovery 5, approved used (because you would be utterly mental not to have a warranty). It's the HSE SD6 with the 3.0l Diesel. It had 54,000 miles on it when we bought it last year and it's now just ticked over 62000 miles, which is a combination of short-ish distance miles and long distance trips around the country. I had them service everything on the car before I agreed to buy it and refused to trust the service history even though it had a decent recorded history - I wanted as much peace of mind as I could. I really wanted the new version of the D5 but had nowhere near the budget and I refuse to pay that sort of money on a car, so we had to compromise.

It's been back at JLR once since we've had it for minor 'niggles' to be resolved - a couple of cabin rattles that were driving me nuts and a knocking noise from what sounded like underneath the car - it was actually some trim in the boot that had broken clips. There was also an issue with a slightly mis-aligned tailgate causing some trim to rub (common issue this one). All sorted with no quibbles. It's booked in again to be sorted under warranty in a few weeks time as our bonnet won't open unless you get someone to apply pressure on the left-hand side of it. Another common issue, the bonnet release cable on this generation can stretch or deteriorate over time.

Things we generally like about it:
- We live in rural Wales and it gets some occasional offroad use, its definitely the most capable off-roader we've ever had. It is a true 'go anywhere' car. Except tight parking spaces of course.
- Tons of space. For long family trips it's great. With 5 seats in place the boot is massive. Lots of cubby spaces to store things. It's a really good family car as well as a workhorse car.
- Chews up motorway miles like they're nothing. The most comfortable car that I've had to cover long distance.
- The driving position. Not much rivals it if you like a high-up view of the road.
- The engine gives solid enough performance for something that weighs 2 tons.
- Dual pano roof brightens the cabin.
- Blind spot assist is really useful and works well. Worth having on something like this.
- Auto park function is useful and actually works. Not ashamed to admit I've used it to parallel park the thing into a fairly tight space once or twice. And to get it back out again.

Thing we don't like about it:
- Fuel economy. Even on an easy motorway journey you won't break 40mpg, and that's with the diesel. The petrol is going to be worse.
- The infotainment system. It is absolutely terrible. Ours has Carplay which is the only saving grace, but you will absolutely get infotainment gremlins. Things like it very occasionally just not displaying anything when you start the car (needs you to turn the car off, get out, double lock it, wait a few minutes, get back in, magically all comes back to life). The digital drivers display always works though, and isn't affected. You'll also get issues like Carplay audio sounding terrible - needs the audio source flicking to radio and back to Carplay again. All of this is with the very latest software version of every module in the car installed. It's easily the most frustrating part of the car. The infotainment in the new model (Pivi Pro) is a world better.
- Lack of 360 cameras. You need the HSE Lux for this on this generation of D5. We don't have it and it would definitely come in handy occasionally. The rear view camera is alright, that's when the infotainment screen is working of course.
- Gesture tailgate function is crap, and you'll find that your tailgate will decide to open itself if you walk closely to the car in a way that it doesn't like (and never open with the gesture when you want it to). I'm considering pulling the fuse out for it.

So, overall, despite it's quirks, I do like the car. I wouldn't own one without a warranty, and will be buying the extended warranty when this one is up. Insurance for us hasn't been too bad, added to a multi-car policy for a few hundred quid. We'll see what it costs come renewal time. The infotainment is the thing that winds me up the most about it, you can live with it but I guarantee it will annoy you.

Would I buy another one? Yes, probably, but only the newer version with the Pivi Pro infotainment system and the new hybrid engines which so far are proving to be less problematic than previous generations (and they are more economical, I had the new version D5 while ours was in getting the niggles sorted under warranty and its both more refined as well as more economical).

Should you buy one? I'd say that if you can't stretch to the new version with the new engines and infotainment, then no. You might be better off with something like an XC90 - which I'd have bought instead (the T8 plug-in hybrid), but Volvo screwed us by lying about the condition of one we went across the country to collect and my wife refused to ever walk into a Volvo dealership again after that. If you don't need the 7 seats, strongly consider an estate instead. The Skoda Superb 4x4 280 estate would be my choice, but I'm sure your wife won't want that (neither did mine).
 
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Yeah, RR can be a total mixed bag.. We have friends with Evoques that actually neve seem to have problems, they are older ones, so Ford 2.0 ecoboost engines which are fine if looked after.



Why so large an SUV? The Disco/Tourag/XC90 are huge and not ideal for country roads IMO.. the Kodiaq is good, I ordered one a few years ago (Skoda cancelled it when they rationalised their lineup)..

I'd go look at the BMW X3 M40d or M40i.. I'd almost recommend the diesel because the BMW 3 litre diesel is impeccably designed, we had one in our older X3, the only diesel the Mrs didn't have DPF issues, and ironically the one I could use the Carly app to inspect and manage the DPF if needed! The M40i is also good and have driven a couple now, great engines, very reliable, good service intervals, and the BMW X3 is a nice place to be..

Ford recalled many of the ecoboost engines due to fatal cooling issues. I wonder if JLR did the same.

They still seem to be much more reliable than their in-house (ingenium) engines though. There are plenty of stories of newer Evoques chewing up engines at low mileage. Around 60k seems to be when many go bang.
 
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Why so large an SUV? The Disco/Tourag/XC90 are huge and not ideal for country roads IMO.. the Kodiaq is good, I ordered one a few years ago (Skoda cancelled it when they rationalised their lineup)..

I just like a bigger car. Also we have 2 kids and do long journeys a few times a year with a lot of luggage, pram etc.

Do I absolutely need one? Probably not. I would like one though.

I was looking at superb estates but she prefers the 4x4. You know how it is.
 
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I just like a bigger car. Also we have 2 kids and do long journeys a few times a year with a lot of luggage, pram etc.

Do I absolutely need one? Probably not. I would like one though.

I was looking at superb estates but she prefers the 4x4. You know how it is.
Fair enough!

Have you tried something like the BMW X3 M40i/d? They get bigger every generation, and obviously there is the BMW X5 if you want that extra 'size'.. but with 2 kids/dog/luggage, we had zero issues in last gen's X3 and the 40d/i have a lot of performance.

The X3 I think is a good sweet spot with giving plenty of space, but manageable in terms of overall size on roads/car parks.


Ford recalled many of the ecoboost engines due to fatal cooling issues. I wonder if JLR did the same.

They still seem to be much more reliable than their in-house (ingenium) engines though. There are plenty of stories of newer Evoques chewing up engines at low mileage. Around 60k seems to be when many go bang.
That was the 1.0 Eco'boom' with it's cooling woes, the common issues on the 2.0 are fairly benign by comparison, and some are avoided on the LR install.
 
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To add an actual experience to my post, a guy i work with had a 2018 i think discovery from brand new.

It kept shutting down completely while he was driving along, happened 4 or 5 times over the course of about 18 months, took it to the dealer each time and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. It happened again with his family in the car so he took it straight to the dealer and got rid of it as he felt it was unsafe and didn't trust it anymore. It was probably something simple, a sensor somewhere or something but the fact that the dealer couldn't even find an issue let along fix it in 5 visits is pretty shocking...
My Jaguar XF 19 plate did this, it was a solenoid “known problem” near the exhaust. Although they fixed it, I part exchanged the car in November, very frightening when you’re driving along even at 40mph and it just shuts down.
 
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I just like a bigger car. Also we have 2 kids and do long journeys a few times a year with a lot of luggage, pram etc.

Do I absolutely need one? Probably not. I would like one though.

I was looking at superb estates but she prefers the 4x4. You know how it is.
We had a Freelander 2 a few years ago and loved it, when they go wrong your bills are huge. We had a Jaguar XF Sportbrake until November last year, we wanted a higher up car so SUV and the 4x4 hunt started.

We’d set our sights on a Discovery Sport or Velar and I’d joined a FB forum. I know these places attract those with issues but boy, there seemed an excessive amount. Then someone posted the cutting out issue which I’d had on my Jag XF. I then did a quote for each and that was eye watering. The final straw was seeing the prices of them falling heavily, I’d started my search in September.

We looked at a Volvo XC60 and XC90, when we sat in them, we could have been in any standard car, very over priced and no better inside than a Hyundai Tucson. Test drive was okay but no wow feeling.

We booked a test drive for a Skoda and I cancelled, I know they get excellent reviews and win lots of awards but I just don’t “feel it” with them. Sensible drivers would go this route but you hit the nail on the head with “do I need” or “do I want”.

£35k will buy you a low mileage 2-3 year old Mercedes GLB avoid black as they’re a bit London Cab looking but in grey/silver they look nice. They come in 7 or 5 seater and buy from a main dealer and you’ll get 12 months warranty.
 
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The wife's had a 2014 evoque for the last 8 years and its been a mixed bag.

+ Its a great car to drive, can really throw it around despite is largish size.
+ Very comfortable for touring, have done the nc500, all of the welsh coast and all of west Ireland coast road trips camping out of the back of it.
+ much more capable off road than anyone gives it credit for (also rural Norfolk and we'd have been cut off a few times) Have also taken it proper off roading once or twice and but for the scratches and relatively low (500mm) wading depth its been perfect.
+ Landrover assist have been fantastic, all the issues we've had below have been fixed same or next day at home or at location.

- We've had a few issues landrover assist have had to sort
  • split turbo hose put it into limp mode
  • blown wheel speed sensor made it think one wheel was doing 9000mph and shut down half the driving aids.
  • faulty bonnet sensor meant it wouldn't lock itself
  • suspension top cup (?) split & fell out when we were having a tyre changed
- extended warrantee and breakdown is a bit silly price wise, but have had pretty good value for money.


Probably going to change it next year as we can't renew the breakdown / warrantee. Will probably have a look at the new defender but its a bit too large in the 5 door and not really keen on a 3 door. Smallish, but capable 4x4s (not silly suvs) are hard to come by, might have to try a duster but not sure thats going to go down very well :D
 
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I haven't owned a D5, but we've had 2x D3 (1 V8 Petrol 4.4 HSE, 1 V6 Diesel 2.7 HSE) and then now have a 2016 D4 3.0 SDV6 Diesel HSE.

They're great cars and actually not that bad to maintain if you stay on top of it and use a sensible specialist.

We actually did look into a D5 when we got the D4 late last year. We found the interior felt a lot less... heavy duty... and the Row 3 seats seemed quite compromised in comparison. It's probably why D4 values have stayed so strong.
 
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Of little use to you OP, but I've owned 2 Discos in the past. Had a Series I and a Series II (both petrol V8s) and both were properly abused and yet neither ever had a serious issue. They just kept on going.
 
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I purchased my Discovery 3 about 9 years ago, previous owner told a few porkies about issues.

Anyway, since I've had it...

- new rear diff and prop shaft
- new lower front arms, drop links, rack rods (changed these myself on the drive in the east from the east snow, wasn't fun)
- new rear rosary bush in one of the arms
- new air reservoir
- new air compressor
- new valve block and height sensor
- take apart and fix jammed EPB
- new aux belt tensioner
- new starter motor
- new alternator
- loosen off turbo actuator arm
- FBH controller due to glow plugs failing and firing up issues in cold weather
- fix engine earth

Apart from the rear diff I did everything else myself.

Currently it is in a garage having the following done..

- cambelt and rear belt change
- new oil pump
- new front diff
- new torque converter
- new glow plugs
- new injectors

It still has odd electrical issues with the dipping rear mirrors making their own choices. Also need to fix the drivers heated seat which has failed, that's going to be a summer job.

But I love the Discovery and wouldn't want to change it for another car.
 
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