Haha, and you would know for certain? I don't think so.
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Haha, and you would know for certain? I don't think so.
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No, I am actually quite glad the world was not swallowed in a black hole (not that there was ever a chance of that happening). What I am annoyed about is the massive media frenzy, instigated by managers of the experiment, about nothing more than a test run. All they did was align the beams, nothing else.
Seriously, were the good people of the world asked if we would like to spend our money on Cern. Perhaps we would have liked our taxes to be spent elsewhere? On more tangible things that improve the lives of people but no, it seems frivolous experiments that do nothing except boost the egos of academics are more important
I am not anti progress, I am just underwhelmed by the whole experiment. Will they discover a method of pollution free cold fusion - no. Will they invent warp drive - no. Will they prove the existence of a god - certainly not. Will they prove the equations they made up whilst studying for their Phd - no. However, if you give them another £5 Billion then the scientists don't have to get a real job for at least 20 years as they can plan and build the next version. I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
There are problems with funding from botht he public and private sector, if you have a private company they are just going to want to prove the people that pay the bill correct so they get more work, it is inevitably biased. with government funding you run the risk of them just wasting money, but tbh look at what they have built, there is nothing like it in the world. It certainly looks like it would be in the 4 bill region to build. all those scientists need paying. Besides the benefits it brings will pay for it 100s of times over.
Look at the WWW, would you say that has advanced the world? I would say it is the best invention for a long time. 4 bill is cheap.
people like you should not reap the rewards and get a 1% tax cut. Trust me then it really would suck.
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Can you prove that the "managers" instigated the publicity? I think it was random doom-mongerers.
Can you name any of the thousands of academics and engineers working at Cern? I doubt it. So why do you think any of them have an ego problem? The only CERN employee I can name is Tim Berners Lee, and he invented the World Wide Web whilst at Cern. Not only that, but he was decidedly unegotistical, in that he allowed free use of his technology for all of mankind. He didn't even claim the billions he easily could have done.
How exactly would any of these things be of any more benefit to us than fundamental understanding of particle theory?
Lol
What's your point? That scientists aren't valuable and that they should give up? What's a proper job? What's £5 Billion in the grand scheme of things, when the LHC could provide us with insights and new technologies we'd never even imagined?
I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
Well, now that you've given a full and detailed, rigorous account of the problems with the LHC, what would you suggest for mankind instead?
The LHC: $5.5bn donated by 80 countries. It will run for twenty years and will probably end up changing the world in many ways.
The war in Iraq: $510bn and counting (and that's just the US cost). An unmitigated disaster, based on a lie and essentially raping a country and leaving the people to fix it.
No contest. I know what's better value for money, and what I'd rather give my tax to if I had a choice.
The war in Iraq: $510bn and counting (and that's just the US cost). An unmitigated disaster, based on a lie and essentially raping a country and leaving the people to fix it.
No contest. I know what's better value for money, and what I'd rather give my tax to if I had a choice.
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i am not a big trekkie (although i do like it) but is a warp drive not a wormhole drive? If it is then it does not travel faster than the speed of light it bends time and space (like the mavity drive in that classic movie Event Horizon) making 2 positions in space co-exist at the same time thus passing through from one side to the other, If the LHC finds that there is an "underspace" of anysort in where we can travel through space and maybe even time then this would be our warp drive.
I for one am really excited about the LHC's experiments as either way it will bring some life changing results and could be the biggest scientific discovery since erm... The last biggest scientific discovery
or maybe i read to much sci fi
Afaik in Star Trek they envelope the ship in a "warp bubble" which sort of disconnects it, then the engines expel plasma out of the nacelles pushing the ship forward, the oddity of the warp bubble is it allows the ship to travel faster than light, without actually having the ship physically having to get to those speeds as that would be impossible.
Something like that, and it's a shame the LHC will be out of action for several months, I don't think we'll see any experiments until the new year.
Something like that, and it's a shame the LHC will be out of action for several months, I don't think we'll see any experiments until the new year.
Yeh, looks like we are gonna have to wait, the first experiment was supposed to be late October.
So a Warp drive sort of disconnects the ship from Space and lets it travel faster than the speed of light without obviosly feeling any inertia, The theory of not being able to travel at the speed of light has something to do with the object you are trying to accelerate to that speed reaching an infinite Mass an the Energy being expelled would be infinite when the object gets to around 98% of the speed of light.
I can't wait until they break that law, I would love to attach a transluminal drive to my peugeot 307 meaning that i can get into work quicker thus a longer lie in........... Heaven.
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no that doesnt sound right, im sure i remember something about mavity dampers or something in one of the episodes, with a comment along the lines of 'if they didnt work, wed be a stain on the back wall'
edit: they were called inertia dampers.
edit: they were called inertia dampers.
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as far as I remember the Idea behind warp drive is exactly as its name says in that it warp's space. Think the explanation is something like so:
Think of space as a piece of paper and you travel in a straight line across it. Now if you you draw a dot on the paper to represent your ship and sort of fold up the paper in front of the dot into x number of creases so in effect you reduce the surface area of the paper. So you still travelling at the same speed but because of the warping effect on space you cover more distance. Behind the ship outside the warp filed the paper flattens out again.
The higher the warp factor the more 'creased' space gets.
So you not actually increasing your speed faster than the speed of light your just altering the physics of you surroundings.
but as mentioned you'd still need dampeners to stop you flying into the wall.
Think of space as a piece of paper and you travel in a straight line across it. Now if you you draw a dot on the paper to represent your ship and sort of fold up the paper in front of the dot into x number of creases so in effect you reduce the surface area of the paper. So you still travelling at the same speed but because of the warping effect on space you cover more distance. Behind the ship outside the warp filed the paper flattens out again.
The higher the warp factor the more 'creased' space gets.
So you not actually increasing your speed faster than the speed of light your just altering the physics of you surroundings.
but as mentioned you'd still need dampeners to stop you flying into the wall.
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I seem to remember something like this as well, Although am i wrong in saying that if Inertia is overcome then the Object would need to have no mass? thus no mass would mean the theory of not traveling the speed of light or faster will not be held onto that object?
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I blame the shape shifting reptoids. And the NWO.
Good to see people are still crying over this 
If you don't like the idea of it, leave the thread already, if you like the idea of it, contribute to the thread as many people already have done.
And someone said about taxes...what the hell? You don't even know what HALF of your taxes go on nowadays, this isn't all tax funded you know.
I'd rather my taxes went towards something like this, than some other random junk, like tarmacking the road on my way to road for the billionth time in 4 years when it isn't needed.
If you don't like the idea of it, leave the thread already, if you like the idea of it, contribute to the thread as many people already have done.
And someone said about taxes...what the hell? You don't even know what HALF of your taxes go on nowadays, this isn't all tax funded you know.
I'd rather my taxes went towards something like this, than some other random junk, like tarmacking the road on my way to road for the billionth time in 4 years when it isn't needed.
Good to see people are still crying over this
If you don't like the idea of it, leave the thread already, if you like the idea of it, contribute to the thread as many people already have done.
And someone said about taxes...what the hell? You don't even know what HALF of your taxes go on nowadays, this isn't all tax funded you know.
I'd rather my taxes went towards something like this, than some other random junk, like tarmacking the road on my way to road for the billionth time in 4 years when it isn't needed.
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I think it's a complete and utter waste of money and I am leaving the thread
I think that people who think this is a waste of money would have been the same people who shunned al the other inventors/scientist/doctors over the years, If we all were around when the wheel was invented or when electiricy was discovered you people would have been the one's to moan about the costs it involved but now are happy to actually use these breakthrough's in technology, Same as computers, If money wasnt spend on the research and devolepment of computers then we would not be having this conversation on here.
i really think that for the Human race to progress rather than stagnate money is needed to be pumped into these sort of projects.
Thats my penny's worth anyway
i really think that for the Human race to progress rather than stagnate money is needed to be pumped into these sort of projects.
Thats my penny's worth anyway
The required energy to further accelerate a mass would approach infinity as the mass approached the speed of light. You can, in theory, accelerate it to within a tiny fraction of the speed of light, certainly past 98%. The problem would be that the amount of energy required for even extremely low acceleration rapidly becomes ludicrous.
As far as I know, the theory indicates that somehow travelling faster than light would result in you going backwards in time. So you could have a lie in until early afternoon and still get to work for early morning
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You'd probably get shouted or at least laughed at if you suggested to those involved that the LHC scientists/managers were the ones who instigated the FUD.
No, and for good reason. We have governments to make these decisions for us; that's why we voted them in, right?
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
I bet quantum mechanics looked just as esoteric and far removed from real life back in the early 20th century as the LHC experiments do now. However, if quantum mechanics had been abandoned, there'd be no such thing as the modern computer, and indeed there's no telling what our findings here may lead to.
You can't pick and choose which areas of science/physics you investigate based on what looks most useful. If you want to make scientific progress, you need to invest in all areas of it.
I absolutely guarantee that this one won't be big enough or some such crap and they will need more of our money to build the next great experiment. We need to get a grip on reality as a species, we really do.
The LHC is big enough to do what it is designed to do, and will achieve its purpose.
Of course, it will eventually be decommissioned and a larger one will be built, but that's the name of the game. Technological progress requires scientific progress, and scientific progress requires such investments.
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As far as I know, the theory indicates that somehow travelling faster than light would result in you going backwards in time. So you could have a lie in until early afternoon and still get to work for early morning
"There was a young lady named Bright,
Whose speed was far faster than light.
She left one day
In a relative way,
And returned home the previous night!"
(not sure who originally wrote this but it seems quite apt)