Latest round of diesel scrappage/ swappage / changeoverage

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Some manufacturers are offering prima facie large cash discounts for trading in EU1-4 diesels, on top of the normal trade in price.

Lots of people will probably say it's a marketing stunt, that they're hiding the cost elsewhere, that it doesn't make sense environmentally, etc.; however BMW and Mercedes are doing £2k off 520d / E220ds, and Skoda are doing £4k off Superbs.

This is on top of any broker discount, which I can assert are generally unaffected, and in most cases manufacturers' PCP deposit contributions still apply in addition.

These discounts are, on the face of it, pretty good if you have a euro 1-4 diesel engine. If you have a car with trade in value of £2k, it could be worth £6k against a Skoda Superb for example.

Fyi.
 
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Participant said:
This is on top of any broker discount, which I can assert are generally unaffected, and manufacturers' PCP deposit contributions.
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Is that definitely correct? Just been spec'ing up a Skoda Superb on drivethedeal.com and they clearly state the £4,000 scrappage allowance is in lieu of any PCP deposit contribution.
 
m1ke said:
Is that definitely correct? Just been spec'ing up a Skoda Superb on drivethedeal.com and they clearly state the £4,000 scrappage allowance is in lieu of any PCP deposit contribution.
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Looks like the vag group have stipulated 'not in conjunction with any other offer'.

You already get £3k on Superbs so it's not that dramatic. With Mercedes they let you combine it.
 
If you look closely, all the scrappage offers are simply £2K on top of any existing offers... This is because the Government is footing the extra £2K discount for scrappage... i.e. if the normal saving was £2000 then the scrappage saving is £4000, if it was £1500 then the scrappage saving is £3500

Ford are doing it just now but your scrap car can be ANYTHING i.e. doesnt have to be diesel and can be against a Fiesta (excl. Style), B-Max (excl. Zetec), Focus (excl ST and RS), Kuga or C-Max
 
Richie said:
If you look closely, all the scrappage offers are simply £2K on top of any existing offers... This is because the Government is footing the extra £2K discount for scrappage... i.e. if the normal saving was £2000 then the scrappage saving is £4000, if it was £1500 then the scrappage saving is £3500
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That's not true at all. The government have not put any money into this.

Most if not all of these offers are in lieu of other offers and as such are not the bargains they might otherwise appear to be.

This is NOT the same as it was back in 2009.
 
It's also worth noting that (for VAG at least) that the "scrappage" is your entire trade in value, not an addition to it. So you take in a £4K car and purchase a car that's getting a £6k discount, you get £6k, not £10k.
 
Participant said:
This is on top of any broker discount, which I can assert are generally unaffected, and in most cases manufacturers' PCP deposit contributions still apply in addition.
Fyi.
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This isn't true, i went to Ford yesterday to talk about this as i have a 2002 diesel Yaris i need to get rid of and the Mrs wants a new car so i thought happy days this could kill 2 birds etc.

Ford are touting "£4950 off a Focus Titanium" but that's off RRP, and they're giving £3000 off RRP to anyone who walks in the door anyway at the moment so it's really £2000 at best.

Perhaps my local dealer is terrible at making deals (more than likely being out in the sticks)

RRP for the model i'd like is £23,155 (Focus 1.5 ecoboost titanium nav estate)
On Fords website it's currently at "Ford Promotional Price" £20,205
Ford offered it to me for £18,205 simply by taking off their scrappage amount from the RRP
Drive the deal lists the car i'm interested in at £16,477

I'd be interested to go via a broker and see if they'd give me anything more off their price, as if they could get it down to £14,477 it might be worth it over a 2nd hand car at that stage.
 
Shame it's for older cars. Mine's coming up 6 years old in November. Not the oldest car I could have but it's getting on for 120k mileage, which is more than I've ever had/done. Owned it from new.
Mazda 6 sport (diseasel) estate, bought back when they were doing 20% off and 0% finance.

It replaced a crappy 08 Focus TDCI that was throwing up bills of about £300 a month. Stupid car.

Mine's had (under (extended) warranty, so not convinced they were NEEDED, but didn't cost me any extra):
New Turbo at about 80,000 miles.
New Steering Rack to combat some creak (that still happens when the air temp is warm and dry) - however 3 garages have investigated and found absolutely nothing wrong (didn't happen or didn't happen loud enough when they investigated). I have no faith in garages to diagnose mechanical faults
New Bluetooth module - stopped pairing with my phone, or any phone at all for some reason.

Paid for by me
2x nearside front wheel bearings - first one was a cheap crappy one apparently. Put an allegedly better one on that should last more than 40k.


Happy with it. Doesn't have MASSES of power, as had 180 when new. Not really noticed it dropping over the years, but I'm sure it must have.... doesn't eat tyres like the focus did.
Not sure what I'd replace it with but bit worried about what the future holds for diesels. Especially with tax/emissions charges into cities.

Would probably get a Petrol Hybrid, maybe, but Still do in the region of 20k a year.... so bleh.
 
so will these scrappage discounts impact used prices at all ? (there always seems an absence of used car price trends on the web, unless you try and track it yourself),

The manufacturers are trying to revive the market, but is there also a financial benefit for them, to do this before any government scheme arrives (maybe it would be better to wait, if you want to buy ?)
 
paradigm said:
I'd imagine not. I'd be surprised if it even beat a carwow quote and PCP deposit offer.
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This is just one example, but...I had a carwow offer (for the E-Class that I've now ordered) before the diesel schemes kicked in.

Merc then introduced the diesel changeover in between receiving the quote and me ordering the car, and the dealer reduced the exact same quote (14% discount + £2k contribution) by an extra £2.4k.

Unless I'm missing something, that's the perfect example of it beating a carwow + PCP deposit quote. I'm not saying that all manufacturers will treat it in this way (case in point - Ford person above), but then if they're offering £2k diesel scrappage that simply replaces a £2k PCP deposit contribution, then it's not going to be that effective an incentive.
 
I can only speak for Renault, but their scrappage scheme is in addition to all other offers. So, if you have a car to scrap you get an extra £2000 + the £2000 odd deposit contribution from Renault. If you don't, you only get the £2000 deposit contribution.
It's a good deal, last quarter the total discount Renault gave was around £2800 on the Clio.
 
Ahleckz said:
I can only speak for Renault, but their scrappage scheme is in addition to all other offers. So, if you have a car to scrap you get an extra £2000 + the £2000 odd deposit contribution from Renault. If you don't, you only get the £2000 deposit contribution.
It's a good deal, last quarter the total discount Renault gave was around £2800 on the Clio.
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But the car you are trading in his value so it's hardly free money is it?
 
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