Laurence Fox

[Irish_Tom]

The point is that they've been recognised in other ways and people aren't going after them.

And my point is, that’s a terrible argument in the context of statues.

Statues of people serve one purpose — to venerate the person being depicted.

The knowledge gained by the Nazis and Japanese during WWII is useful for saving lives today, even if the process of obtaining that knowledge was horrific. We should never forget the monsters who conducted those experiments, but we're not going to forget the things they discovered because of the way they discovered them.

Similarly, we're not going to scrap NASA and SpaceX because the Nazis developed rocket technology. The information is useful, hospitals are useful, missions to the moon and Mars are useful. A statue isn't useful.

 

[Dis86]

And my point is, that’s a terrible argument in the context of statues.

Statues of people serve one purpose — to venerate the person being depicted.

The knowledge gained by the Nazis and Japanese during WWII is useful for saving lives today, even if the process of obtaining that knowledge was horrific. We should never forget the monsters who conducted those experiments, but we're not going to forget the things they discovered because of the way they discovered them.

Similarly, we're not going to scrap NASA and SpaceX because the Nazis developed rocket technology. The information is useful, hospitals are useful, missions to the moon and Mars are useful. A statue isn't useful.

Naming medical conditions after the discoverer serves one purpose, to venerate them.

 

[Hades]

A statue isn't useful.

Pigeons would disagree

 

[Irish_Tom]

Naming medical conditions after the discoverer serves one purpose, to venerate them.

Depends on how you interpret it — personally, I wouldn't want my name to live on as a disease or cognitive disorder.

 

[james.miller]

Depends on how you interpret it — personally, I wouldn't want my name to live on as a disease or cognitive disorder.

Imagine that lol.

I'm sorry but it looks like you have...Irish Tom face.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Imagine that lol.

I'm sorry but it looks like you have...Irish Tom face.

Trust me, no one wants that!

 

[Dis86]

Trust me, no one wants that!

Terminal?

 

[Irish_Tom]

Terminal?

 

[Freakbro]

My mum's a rabid right wing express/breitbart reading Brexit supporting Farage groupie....and even she thinks Fox is a complete ****head

 

[Dis86]

I'm sure there's nothing wrong with your mug man!

 

[Tony Edwards]

Classic Liberal

Haha you lot are not classic liberals for gods sake.

Shock as Tony doesn't understand.

The link between right wingers getting all bent out of shape over their support of statues of slave traders and the NHS. Well done.

The point is that they've been recognised in other ways and people aren't going after them.

STATUES OF SLAVE TRADERS!

 

[Dis86]

STATUES OF SLAVE TRADERS!

NAZI HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION!

 

[Tony Edwards]

NAZI HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION!

Is there a statue we could take down?

 

[Dis86]

Is there a statue we could take down?

No but as I've explained there are names that can be changed.

 

[Tony Edwards]

No but as I've explained there are names that can be changed.

Off you go then, start a protest about it.

 

[Irish_Tom]

I'm sure there's nothing wrong with your mug man!

Thanks Dis.

No but as I've explained there are names that can be changed.

To be fair, Wegener's granulomatosis is now called Granulomatosis with polyangiitis because of Wegener's Nazi past.

From Wiki:

In 2006, Alexander Woywodt (Preston, United Kingdom) and Eric Matteson (Mayo Clinic, US) investigated Wegener's past, and discovered that he was, at least at some point of his career, a follower of the Nazi regime. He was a member of the Sturmabteilung paramilitary group and worked in an office where medical experiments were conducted on Jewish people.[32] In addition, their research indicate that Wegener was wanted by Polish authorities and that his files were forwarded to the United Nations War Crimes Commission. Furthermore, Wegener worked in close proximity to the genocide machinery in Łódź. Their research raised serious concerns about Wegener's professional conduct. They suggested that the eponym be abandoned and proposed "ANCA-associated granulomatous vasculitis" as an alternative name.[33] The authors have since campaigned for other medical eponyms to be abandoned as well.[34] In 2011, the American College of Rheumatology (ACR), the American Society of Nephrology (ASN) and the European League Against Rheumatism (EULAR) resolved to change the name to granulomatosis with polyangiitis.[35] The old name remains widely used despite the consensus to adopt the change.[32]

 

[robgmun]

Haha you lot are not classic liberals for gods sake.

You're so far left that i might as well be a Nazi in your eyes.

 

[fez]

He started off quite well and then he soon descended into a self absorbed **** with some very questionable views. Whether he held those all along is the question.

 

[Tony Edwards]

You're so far left that i might as well be a Nazi in your eyes.

You are so far to the right it makes you an illiberal.

 

[Angilion]

You are so far to the right it makes you an illiberal.

left and right are not on the same spectrum as liberalism and illiberalism. If you knew what liberalism was, you'd know that.

The phrase "classic liberal" is an attempt to recover liberalism from the anti-liberal bigots who've usurped and corrupted it. The authoritarian bigots who call their ideology "progressive". Which, of course, it is to them. Just like every other ideology. "Progress" just means "more of what the person using the word wants". Self-styled progressives want authoritarianism, lying and irrational prejudices so an increase in those things is progress to them.