Lcd or Plasma
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Tbh if your buying a tv on a budget get a plasma as you can get a big tv and it'll look awesome on SD + games. a lot of the plasma's nowadays have anti burn technology where they actually shift the pixels around on your screen very subtly so you never actually notice it doing it.
Only certain LCD's are really good for SD and fast moving stuff. 100hz chip is a good start and the cheapest branded tv I know of which has one is a sony D series which can be picked up for about £700 at 32 inch. Philips' ambilight range are expensive but have 3ms panels which are superb for scrolling text which is what people always say about plasma's doing better compared to an LCD but sadly they do cost quite abit lol.
Only certain LCD's are really good for SD and fast moving stuff. 100hz chip is a good start and the cheapest branded tv I know of which has one is a sony D series which can be picked up for about £700 at 32 inch. Philips' ambilight range are expensive but have 3ms panels which are superb for scrolling text which is what people always say about plasma's doing better compared to an LCD but sadly they do cost quite abit lol.
Snap, unfortunately I am also waiting for delivery (have been since ~20th Nov). However it was far ahead of the other TVs available for comparison in the shop. The missus even noticed that it was more 'vibrant' (and she likes the blue light). I can't wait until it arrives as well as the 1080p upscaling DVD player. I shall be ordering a HTPC with blue ray/HD-DVD early next year as well.
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Bad info overload for bob in this thread !
What are you talking about? Granted LCD have something like 60,000 hours but even 10,000 is something like 10-15 years of use. CRT tubes last ages too, unless it's a high end CRT front projector, you cannot replace tubes in direct view, the tubes will last as long as the lifespan of the set (CRT can replace tubes at a high cost)
Bulbs are quite expensive £200+ but last 2-3K hours.
What's "wrong" about that?
I setup my new Pioneer plasma last night. Its not new but an ex-demo 507XD from a local specialist AV dealer. They had it in their home cinema demo room so its had very little use.
Anyway, compared to my Toshiba 32 inch LCD its absolutley amazing. Through SKY the SD pictures are way better and then on HD channels(720p), well words cannot do it justice, simply stunning
Ive not connected my 360 or DVD up yet but I'm looking forward to that now. My wife is very impressed also which helps the justification in price £1350.
Anyway, compared to my Toshiba 32 inch LCD its absolutley amazing. Through SKY the SD pictures are way better and then on HD channels(720p), well words cannot do it justice, simply stunning
Ive not connected my 360 or DVD up yet but I'm looking forward to that now. My wife is very impressed also which helps the justification in price £1350.
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I've calibrated my 46" Sony Bravia and I love it to bits 
Also worth noting, that my settings have lowered the backlight to "2" so it will probably give me a little more miles (bulb time, that is).. worth considering if you're running on factory default picture settings.
Can post my settings if you own a "W" series Bravia, and are interested in trying them for yourself.
Also worth noting, that my settings have lowered the backlight to "2" so it will probably give me a little more miles (bulb time, that is).. worth considering if you're running on factory default picture settings.
Can post my settings if you own a "W" series Bravia, and are interested in trying them for yourself.
In Plasma, and CRT TV's its the phosphor coatings that dim over the years not the electron guns, or plasma cells themselves.
A modern plasma will likely be rated up at 60K+ hours, which is just as good as a CRT, and will probably out live the backlight on an LCD panel as well. The reason CRT and Plasma get 'Burn' is because the panels dont get exposed to 'constant' brightness, so the 'dimming' effect can be inconsistant. However the longer the 'average' halflife for the screen the less noticable burn will be anyway.
Anyway, just because a plasma's reached its halflife doesnt mean its time for the bin, most people dont run at full brightness, or full contrast anyway, about half way on both is 'right' on my Panny plasma, calibrating using the THX calibration tool. So as my plasma ages and starts to dim, I'll be able to increase the contrast to compensate for some time.
Anyway.. 60k+ hours... thats almost 7 years of 24/7 use... At 6 hours a day usage that 60k halflife will be reached after 27 years, Im sure there will be an electronics failer LONG LONG before the panel is unwatchable.
Ok, if you played 1 game for a year, and never did anything else, you could probably burn 'scores/ammo level' graphics into the screen, but if you use the TV for movies, TV, and games, it will have a 'fair' average use, and should burn fairly evenly.
Current generation plasma panels have great colour, good resolution, superb contrast, long life..... Pretty much the best picture quality for a large panel TV. Sure if your have a 3-4 year old Pioneer, they did have serious burn problems (panny had already overcome most of the problems by then).. But Pioneer too have resolved the burn issue for the most part as well.
Nope, certainly with the shop Pioneer - it's got burn on the white news 24 on the bottom of the screen, some people do play games long enough for plasma screen burn.
Nope, LCD backlights have lifespan equalling if not higher than plasma. Around 60K hours and by that time it'll be in the skip.
Would, not could. If 8 hours on a single channel is enough for screenburn...
Being that you replace the whole section (tube) in a CRT PJ, rather than just replacing the phosphur section the issue is moot. And even those have 20K+ hours, but cost £2K per tube.
Panel? Sure. But the best display? (for picture quality) Not a chance, throw in CRT front projector and DLP 6 chip projectors ..
plasma's are quite low resolution though for the "720p" panels unless go into 1080p screens.
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Was that a current model pioneer... Well anyway, my TV's a panny and they have been good for years. I watch tons of "Sky" tv, and there is not the slightest hint of a 'Sky One' dog burn in the corner of my screen.
You just said yourself that LCD backlights are 10k+, Modern Plasma's are 60k+. Either way, 60k hours with an average of 6 hours use every day is 27 years.. It will be in a skip before that. Cold cathodes are the 'standard' lightsource for most LCD panels, and what isnt well known is as they start to age they can flicker really badly (like a tired strip light). This can happen a long time before the backlight totally fails. A plasma at halflife wont be as bright as when it was new, but it can still be watched until a replacement TV can be bought. An LCD with a dead backlight is useless.
8 hours on 1 channel, and its burned? Guess I am glad to have a Panny not a Pioneer. Not a trace of the Sky Dogs on my screen. Plasma panels do have some 'image retention' as once the phosphors are energized they will glow slightly for several hours, Turn a plasma TV off in a dark room, and you can often see the after image for quite some time. If you've been watching a movie or something though, normally you just see the screen glowing pretty much evenly, which is what you want.. steady even use of the panel maintains its brightness regularity.
I said panel, as in flat panel TV. LCD/Plasma. I've never liked 'rear projection' TV's most seem to have very limited viewing angles etc. Front projection is nice, but the contrast sucks unless your in a totally dark room, which isnt practical for a lot of people. Not everyone watches TV at night in a totally black room.
720p plasma panels offer sufficient resolution for 42inch at >9ft viewing distance. For larger panels or shorter viewing distances 1080p panels are now available at sensible prices, and the 1080p panels are seriously good. Ok not the same size as a good projection setup.. but in terms of pure picture quality they are up there.
You just said yourself that LCD backlights are 10k+, Modern Plasma's are 60k+. Either way, 60k hours with an average of 6 hours use every day is 27 years.. It will be in a skip before that. Cold cathodes are the 'standard' lightsource for most LCD panels, and what isnt well known is as they start to age they can flicker really badly (like a tired strip light). This can happen a long time before the backlight totally fails. A plasma at halflife wont be as bright as when it was new, but it can still be watched until a replacement TV can be bought. An LCD with a dead backlight is useless.
8 hours on 1 channel, and its burned? Guess I am glad to have a Panny not a Pioneer. Not a trace of the Sky Dogs on my screen. Plasma panels do have some 'image retention' as once the phosphors are energized they will glow slightly for several hours, Turn a plasma TV off in a dark room, and you can often see the after image for quite some time. If you've been watching a movie or something though, normally you just see the screen glowing pretty much evenly, which is what you want.. steady even use of the panel maintains its brightness regularity.
I said panel, as in flat panel TV. LCD/Plasma. I've never liked 'rear projection' TV's most seem to have very limited viewing angles etc. Front projection is nice, but the contrast sucks unless your in a totally dark room, which isnt practical for a lot of people. Not everyone watches TV at night in a totally black room.
720p plasma panels offer sufficient resolution for 42inch at >9ft viewing distance. For larger panels or shorter viewing distances 1080p panels are now available at sensible prices, and the 1080p panels are seriously good. Ok not the same size as a good projection setup.. but in terms of pure picture quality they are up there.
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im thinking of getting a plasma, the Samsung PS50Q97HDX. this image retention screen burn thing does slightly bother me. id be using it for my 360, watching films and SD tv. should i be worried about burn in. I dont play 24/7 max for like 4 hours with halo 3. should i be worried and is this a nice tv ? 