LCD vs LED

danb21t · 3 Nov 2009 at 09:58

Hi all,
Fairly new here, I'm quite clued up in the realm of computers, but haven't upgraded or looked at upgrades for a year or two. I recently damaged my 20" screen and am looking to upgrade it at some point soon.

what are the advantages and disadvantages of this screen; LED over LCD

Dell G2410 24" Widescreen LED Monitor

the only thing that puts me off a bit is the fact its not 1920x1200.

Any information, experiences on this screen or others would be gratefully received.

Dan

bigsharn · 3 Nov 2009 at 10:58

iirc LED just describes the backlight, the only real LED screens are OLED.

EsaT · 3 Nov 2009 at 11:18

Like bigsharn said LED is just marketing buzzword used for hyping old crappy compromise technology instead of bringing out real better technologies.

danb21t · 3 Nov 2009 at 11:36

I see, cheers for the replies.

I have no idea what to go for, looking at 24" 1920x1200 ideally - around £200 to be spent!

BlackBat · 3 Nov 2009 at 12:30

If you've only got £200ish to spend on a monitor then I would get the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor, it really is a quality pice of kit, if you do a search of the forums you will see just how highly regarded it is. The only other option around the same price here is the 24" (1920x1200 res.) Samsung SM2433BW 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor, but that uses an inferior TN panel. I upgraded from a 20" Samsung myself and feel I made the right choice as far as getting the Dell, I wouldn't want to go back to using a TN panelled screen again, IMHO the colours shift alone on TN panels negates any hi-def pretentions.

dmxdex2020 · 3 Nov 2009 at 12:34

LED is not hype. Clearly the picture looks a lot btter lcd. my old man has a samsung 42" LED tv series 8 and the picture quality is amazing.

danb21t · 3 Nov 2009 at 12:37

BlackBat said:
If you've only got £200ish to spend on a monitor then I would get the Dell UltraSharp 2209WA 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor, it really is a quality pice of kit, if you do a search of the forums you will see just how highly regarded it is. The only other option around the same price here is the 24" (1920x1200 res.) Samsung SM2433BW 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor, but that uses an inferior TN panel. I upgraded from a 20" Samsung myself and feel I made the right choice as far as getting the Dell, I wouldn't want to go back to using a TN panelled screen again, IMHO the colours shift alone on TN panels negates any hi-def pretentions.

how does the non TN panel fare against the fast paced action in, for example TF2, or the like FPS?

Generally my plan is to upgrade my monitor and then in the future (after xmas or so) start to think about an upgrade of motherboard,cpu,gpu etc

I could spend more but it will have to be a justified spend..

timmothy · 3 Nov 2009 at 16:38

a lot of people on this forum have been convincing people to compromise on a 24" monitor by getting the dell 22" e-ips panel. Now i understand that this monitor has much better viewing angles and better colours plus an adjustable stand, however there is no getting around the fact its only 22" and a low resolution of 1680x1050. I had the same problem last week of choosing the samsung 2433bw and dell 2209wa and i am so glad i went for the samsung, my two brothers both had 22" monitors and i spent a long time playing with them and came to the realisation that the resolution and screen size were not a big enough jump from my 19" monitor at 1280x1024. I know i would have been really upset with myself if i had got the dell so remember to take this into account and try and find some friends who have a 22" and 24" screen so as to help make up your mind. The samsung is great and picture quality is perfect for what i do, the viewing angles might not be brilliant but i sit infront of my monitor so i dont notice it.

Credo · 3 Nov 2009 at 17:01

Just to provide the 'other side of the coin', I went from a 19" 1280x1024 to the Dell 2209WA (when I was initially convinced I wanted a 24") and I'm very happy with the Dell, it does everything better than a 24" TN apart from being 24". If you have any interest in photography, the Dell is a no-brainer for colour accuracy. I play UT3 online and have not noticed any response issues with my Dell, games look fantastic due to blacker blacks and accurate colours.

EsaT · 3 Nov 2009 at 17:06

danb21t said:
how does the non TN panel fare against the fast paced action in, for example TF2, or the like FPS?

RTC lacking "5ms" TNs have been quite common and have ~13-15ms actual average response time so unless you've seen people taking them to shooting ranges for use as target you can consider that spec as moot point when in practise every better panel uses RTC and has real average response time very close to advertised.

Other gaming important aspect is input lag. In general TNs have had it mostly at very low level but that has very little to do with LCD matrix type and is related to complexity of input connection and image processing electronics and TN's have traditionally had very little connections. (exception is extra ~17ms lag of special "predictive" RTC in some S-PVAs) But similarly to some very high lag S-PVA monitors there has been also some TNs with considerable input lag.

dmxdex2020 said:
LED is not hype. Clearly the picture looks a lot btter lcd. my old man has a samsung 42" LED tv series 8 and the picture quality is amazing.

You could have even campfire as that backlight but it wouldn't change the fact that it's still LCD display!
And those TVs also happen to use better LCD panels than TN crapolas sold in all cheap generic monitors and additionally probably do lot of Disneyland-processing to picture for making it appear flashy which is in no way related to any kind colour/image accuracy.

BlackBat · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:18

how does the non TN panel fare against the fast paced action in, for example TF2, or the like FPS?

I've no problems playing TF2 or any other FPS, the only difference I have noticed is how poor TN panels are.

danb21t · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:25

hmmm, can I make the assumption that all Dell Ultrasharp models are of the non TN panel?

manic111 · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:32

danb21t said:
hmmm, can I make the assumption that all Dell Ultrasharp models are of the non TN panel?

I wouldn't make that assumption, although have done a (very brief) check of the OcUK website and, here at least, it appears to be the case. Still check what it says on the Dell website before choosing a screen though.

timmothy · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:33

BlackBat said:
I've no problems playing TF2 or any other FPS, the only difference I have noticed is how poor TN panels are.

you must have seen poor TN panels then as apart from viewing angles the quality between TN and non TN panels seem very close to my eyes and i should know as i had a va panel based monitor. I know its a broad statement but i feel people just see what they want to see a lot of the time and notice major differences when they are only minor and will hardly be noticed unless you have both panels side by side *

i used to be one of those people

danb21t · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:37

I am definately taking after my dad in my older (or so I hope wiser) age, he has to have the best of everything.

I like the idea of the Dell 2408WFP but double the amount I initially wanted to pay, but if people rave about them that much I could stretch to it.............

then again I tend to agree with timmothy to a degree.

decisions, decisions.

timmothy · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:46

well why not get yourself down to a local PC store and compare monitor sizes first of all to see if 22" will be big enough for your needs in size and resolution.
If you find it is enough then bonus and you might aswell get the dell e-ips, but if you find you really want the extra resolution and size
for use now and in the future, ask yourself if £250 extra for a 24" panel that is not TN based is really worth it and try and see a non TN panel in person so you can make your own mind up.

danb21t · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:51

sounds like a good idea timmothy, not many computer shops around that I can think of..I suppose there is dlroW CP :rolleyes:

timmothy · 3 Nov 2009 at 19:54

better remove the name of that competitor from your post asap as they are not allowed on this forum, as it is run and financed through the overclockers site.

BlackBat · 3 Nov 2009 at 20:54

you must have seen poor TN panels then as apart from viewing angles the quality between TN and non TN panels seem very close to my eyes

I've used a few different screens and yes the main thing I pick up on is the viewing angles, however even though I mostly sit directly in front of every monitor I use, I'm sick of the colours changing just because I lean slightly to get a drink, grab a pen or lean back in my chair. 'Old' technology like CRT's don't suffer from this, so why should I have to put up with it with 'new' technology, you're entilted to your point of view and I'm entitled to mine.
If the OP wants to upgrade in size then getting a 24" (might as well get the 28" Hanns-g for the little bit extra if you're going along the size matters route) is the way to go. If the OP wants to upgrade in quality, then changing to a different panel tech. is the way to go. You do have a valid point about the OP actually seeing the difference in panel size, but then I would expect you to agree seeing the difference in panel type to be just as valid too.

timmothy · 3 Nov 2009 at 21:06

BlackBat said:
1.I'm sick of the colours changing just because I lean slightly to get a drink, grab a pen or lean back in my chair.
2.If the OP wants to upgrade in size then getting a 24" (might as well get the 28" Hanns-g for the little bit extra if you're going along the size matters route) is the way to go.
3. but then I would expect you to agree seeing the difference in panel type to be just as valid too.

1. Well as i say they must have been fairly poor TN panels then as with my old Hanns g you could lean in almost all directions apart from directly below the screen and colours stayed the same and with my new samsung the viewing angles are not nearly bad enough that if i move "slightly" the colours change.

2.I am not only going along size matters i am just saying that extra 2" and more importantly resolution becomes a huge difference when you have seen both. So i personally would not go for the hanns g as the resolution is the same as a 24" panel so you will lose out quality.

3.I agree that there is a difference in panel type i mean no one can deny that, what i am trying to get at is that i personally dont feel that if you take out the major difference in viewing angles that a non TN 24" panel is worth a £250 premium and feel that there are many others that cant afford to have the best available and are being talked into thinking TN based panels are **** when really they are not.