Anyone that breaks the law in that way should be punished, it's not allowed in a war either and just because some get away with it doesn't mean all should just be let off imo.
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Anyone that breaks the law in that way should be punished, it's not allowed in a war either and just because some get away with it doesn't mean all should just be let off imo.
So what does it achieve that is constructive?
From other doctors, who would have course say that he did all the bad things not them, or the prisoners who i doubt would have seen such things and lived to tell about it?
Punishment is there
a) as a deterrent to others
b) to make the person think before doing it again
Putting someone in prison at age 90 for things that happened more than 60 years ago doesn't really achieve either of those. Consider also, that once out of hiding it will most likely enable any of these guys to profit from autobiographical books and the like.
a) as a deterrent to others
b) to make the person think before doing it again
Putting someone in prison at age 90 for things that happened more than 60 years ago doesn't really achieve either of those. Consider also, that once out of hiding it will most likely enable any of these guys to profit from autobiographical books and the like.
How is sitting in a comfy cell or a secure hospital really going to make him pay?
I would expect a proper prison and it's the loss of freedom he will experience too.
too old and too special a case for general prison.
Soldato
Their are no laws in war. No matter how inhumane or morally wrong it is. Thats why there shouldn't be wars in the first place. I agree he should be punished but im not naive as to think this is all one sided.
Maybe Blair ought to be arrested for starting one? After all hes directly responsible for atrocities under his watch.....
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Yeah I heard that too my mate in the pub said his mate's mate was there. Dont be so daft.
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At least he won't be allowed to live the rest of his life as he wants to though.
Let's take a financial viewpoint on this for the moment.
If it's going to cost tens of millions of pounds to track these guys down, put them through a lengthy war crimes tribunal, appeals processes, then put them into a high security prison with appropriate medical facilities, wouldn't that money be ultimately better spent helping people in the third world? Feeding? Educating? Giving thousands of people a better quality of life rather than putting a couple of old guys in prison for a couple of years?
If it's going to cost tens of millions of pounds to track these guys down, put them through a lengthy war crimes tribunal, appeals processes, then put them into a high security prison with appropriate medical facilities, wouldn't that money be ultimately better spent helping people in the third world? Feeding? Educating? Giving thousands of people a better quality of life rather than putting a couple of old guys in prison for a couple of years?
Massive waste of time and money, and if they catch him then he will just cost even more to be put in prison.
And although cruel now, it was probably completely de-sensetised at the time. Look at things like Milgrams study's on obedience. The germans thought they were torturing "evil people" in effect, not other human people. Although horrific, i dont think you can just view it from a modern view point.
And although cruel now, it was probably completely de-sensetised at the time. Look at things like Milgrams study's on obedience. The germans thought they were torturing "evil people" in effect, not other human people. Although horrific, i dont think you can just view it from a modern view point.
That is assuming that living in exile in South America (for example) is the way that he does want to live his life. Being permanently in fear of being caught, unable to regularly see your family (if at all), and not being able to set foot back in your home country doesn't sound like something I would choose.
er, not quite. the Nazis frequently used prisoners as cleaners/nurses.
i have met one such woman who was in one such conentration camp who recounted her entire story for me.
don't be so bloody conceited, arrogant and ignorant to assume that "it was all made up"
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don't be so bloody conceited, arrogant and ignorant to assume that "it was all made up"
yourself, sorry i don't just instantly swallow everything that's told to me on the internet or at all without some form of proof.
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No they were obeying authority. Milgram's experiment only showed that much and has flaws in it anyway. If anything in a 'Nazi environment' people would be even more willing to obey their senior officer in a society of fear.
Capturing Aribert Heim will do nothing. Of course he tortured and such, much like Mengele. The only thing worthwhile about capturing is to interview him from a psychological and historical perspective. That is why, I honestly think it is somewhat of a shame that the Nazi war criminals were sentenced to death.
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he's hardly free and living life how he wants, he's been on the run for the last 30 years probably feeling guilty for what he'd done hating himself for it, following Nazi authority through fear and brainwashing
I'm pretty sure the money being spent chasing OAP 'war criminals' all over the world could be better spent
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You could say that about everything though. The money you or I spend buying a car for example could probably save hundreds of peoples lives around the world. Would that not be a better way to spend the money?
I don't like the idea of responsibility for crimes expiring after x number of years. That once you evade capture for a certain amount of time the authorities give up. Just the fact that they are still continuing to be chased means that they'll have to live with the constant fear of being caught, not being able to contact family members etc or go home.
war crimes are massively different to normal crimes though. as often your government isn't telling you to kill people.
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I can't believe that there are still people around who say that there is no proof that these atrocities took place. Most of my great grandparents' family disappeared in concentration camps. Gas chambers and instruments of torture are not rumours. I have seen lamp shades made out of human skin. I have seen piles of gold fillings and gold teeth that there was not time to process before the camps were liberated. I have seen enormous books filled with the names of the missing; gays, disabled, jews. Visit Yadvashem in Israel first and then tell me that it is not worth persuing these evil, inhuman monsters.
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