Leeds United Administration

It was obviously something was bent when they banned leeds from appealing.

So what if the other clubs launch legal battles,its not leeds' fault that the league cocked it up.
 
It's been delayed until Monday. I wish this would just end so everyone knows where they stand.

All this money being wasted sorting this out, it should all just boil down to the facts and take no longer than 3 days to sort it.
 
It's been delayed until Monday. I wish this would just end so everyone knows where they stand.

All this money being wasted sorting this out, it should all just boil down to the facts and take no longer than 3 days to sort it.

I'm guessing this is a strategic move to head off any possible trouble from the potential flashpoint at the New Den tomorrow.
 
A good piece from the YEP:

By Phil Hay
Inside Elland Road
One of Ken Bates' fundamental concerns about the treatment of Leeds United by the Football League and its members was the degree to which the club's 15-point penalty was founded on ignorance.
His suspicions surrounded the appeal hearing on August 9, when the representatives of 65 clubs voted to support the Football League's sanction against Leeds.

An overwhelming majority it might have been, but how many chairmen or chief executives entered the ballot with a full understanding of the facts of the case, Bates asked?

There was then, as there is now, a vast amount of information to digest – as shown by the prospect of the arbitrational review of United's penalty slipping into next week and a fourth day – and while certain individuals must have considered the case closely, others may have lacked the time or the inclination to gain a full grasp of the argument between Leeds and the Football League.

The 15-point deduction was announced on August 3, leaving six days until the appeal hearing for the facts to sink in.

The assembled crowd were addressed by both parties on August 9, but as one club chairman said to me at the time: "I can't really comment on whether Leeds deserved their punishment. I've got enough to deal with keeping my own club in order." You also have to bear in mind that the season was due to begin just 48 hours later.

United's arbitration is a contentious subject of conversation and several individuals have had their say this week, not all with the eloquence required to dismiss Bates' suggestion that the club's appeal in August was heard by an assembly whose lack of understanding was palpable.

Reflecting on the possibility that Leeds will regain their 15 points, Doncaster Rovers chairman John Ryan – who is not thought to have attended the appeal hearing personally – said: "What would happen next? Would Bournemouth, Luton, Rotherham – all the other teams that have lost 10 points – take on the Football League? I think it's a nonsense."

Ryan is understandably concerned by the idea that League One might change irrevocably on the say-so of a three-man legal panel, but his comments are missing the point and serve only to muddy the waters.

Bournemouth, Luton and Rotherham are irrelevant factors in the debate over whether Leeds deserved their 15-point penalty. All three clubs were deducted 10 points on entering administration, as Leeds were last summer, but none have received the subsequent 15-point punishment which was imposed on United and – to date – remains unprecedented.

Bournemouth and Luton will be in danger of a second penalty if, as seems probable, both clubs leave administration without a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA), the perceived crime for which Leeds were punished.

But the Football League will not make a judgement on either club until it is first determined whether their treatment of United was lawful.
Put simply, Bournemouth, Luton and Rotherham might see grounds on which they could challenge the deductions imposed on them, but their arguments would be alien to that of Leeds.

A 10-point deduction for entering administration was a sanction agreed by the Football League's members; whether the League have the power to impose a second sanction on clubs who fail to agree a CVA is a moot point, and the essence of the debate which is taking place in London this week. Given that an increasing number of insolvent clubs are struggling to implement CVAs, it is clearly a debate worth having.

The fact remains that Leeds were not docked 15 points. They were docked 25.

It can be argued with some justifica
tion that they exploited a loophole by incurring their initial 10-point hit when already relegated last season, but loopholes are there to be exploited and – ultimately – closed.

Speaking this week, Carlisle United's manager, John Ward, said: "Everyone has known the situation from day one and Leeds have even used it as a big incentive themselves. For me, Leeds should probably leave it."

Ward is a likeable character, and his comments could not be construed as malicious. But it is important to take issue with his last point.

Why should Leeds forego 15 points without first exhausting their claim that the penalty was unfair? And how credible is a competition where a club who have won 24 matches and accrued 82 points are seated in sixth place?

In the event that the Football League's decision is overturned, the nonsense of the whole scenario will be United's lowly league position.

The full article contains 760 words and appears in EP Leeds First & County newspaper.
Last Updated: 18 April 2008 10:20 AM
 
They're hoping they can drag out the decision until the end of the season and that Leeds finish inside the play-off places. Then I can safely predict they'll give somewhere between zero and one point less than what would take them above second place.

EDIT: It's a bloody risky thing to do though. If they don't make 6th, the FA will have a very, very tough decision on its hands, and its their own fault for taking so long with it.
 
this is the bit that angers me most

BBC said:
Promotion hopefuls Carlisle United and Doncaster Rovers have already hinted they would take legal action if the hearing ruled in Leeds' favour.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/7354091.stm

what exacttly are they going to take legal action on ?

the league imposed a penalty that had no precedent. The league admit this trial is about setting one.

If the precedent is set that this punishment is ruled as being unlawfull in a court of law, exactly what are the other clubs going to do ?

its just sour grapes.

Just like sheffield united that huffed and puffed after they were relegated, only to be told last year to **** off and to accept it. Last the news heard of it they were "consiering their options" and that was nearly 6 months ago. In other words they had to put and shut up

i only hope the people saying they will challenge leeds getting their points back will get put in their place too.
 
this is the bit that angers me most



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/leeds_united/7354091.stm

what exacttly are they going to take legal action on ?

the league imposed a penalty that had no precedent. The league admit this trial is about setting one.

If the precedent is set that this punishment is ruled as being unlawfull in a court of law, exactly what are the other clubs going to do ?

its just sour grapes.

Just like sheffield united that huffed and puffed after they were relegated, only to be told last year to **** off and to accept it. Last the news heard of it they were "consiering their options" and that was nearly 6 months ago. In other words they had to put and shut up

i only hope the people saying they will challenge leeds getting their points back will get put in their place too.

Well for one thing, it won't be a legally binding ruling. It's going to be attempted to be settled outside court.

As for the 'other' clubs. If they do sue, it won't be Leeds that they sue but the Football League.
 
What exactly will they be suing for?

this was my point. The league are going to court to set a legal precedent as to whether they can impose this sort of penalty. The "rules" dont come into this because theres nothing in the rules that says a team is automatically deducted 15 points if they come out of administration without a cva.

The league just thought up a penalty they thought was appropriate

if the courts rule that punishment they dreampt up was illegal, what exactly are the other clubs going to appeal against ?

apologies if my oppinions are slightly biased, but being a fellow wakey lad / leeds fan, what do you expect.
 
What exactly will they be suing for?

Don't ask me, ask the chairmen!

But at a guess, I expect legal action to be considered if any points returned directly affect one of the top two from an automatic promotion place.

Purely from a stance of that Leeds started the season with an agreement to accept -15 points to stay in the League.

What's your gut feeling on this regarding any possible return of points?, do you believe that the full fifteen will be returned?

Surely there can't be any middle ground on this. It was either lawful or not.
 
this was my point. The league are going to court to set a legal precedent as to whether they can impose this sort of penalty. The "rules" dont come into this because theres nothing in the rules that says a team is automatically deducted 15 points if they come out of administration without a cva.

The league just thought up a penalty they thought was appropriate

if the courts rule that punishment they dreampt up was illegal, what exactly are the other clubs going to appeal against ?

apologies if my oppinions are slightly biased, but being a fellow wakey lad / leeds fan, what do you expect.

Can't blame you for being biased! But on the same footing, you can't blame other teams for feeling a tad edgy either.

And at risk of repeating myself, the hearing will not set a legal precendent because it's not being decided by a court.
 
Purely from a stance of that Leeds started the season with an agreement to accept -15 points to stay in the League.

as far as im aware there was no such agreement

there is legislation that allows teams entry into the league late under exceptional cirumstances. This is how leeds entered the league, with no such acceptance of a penalty, only that they could not appeal any punishment given.

But the issue is whether the league is in a legal position to be able to issue the punishment they did in the first place. As far as im aware theres no rule set in stone that the clubs agreed to, that says 15 points if you come out of administration with a cva

The only rule set in stone is the 10 points for going into administration, which leeds arent contesting.
 
Wise words from Brighton & Hove Albions chairman

Uncertainty turned to anger last night as Sir Philip Otton's panel arbitrating on the Football League's 15-point penalty against Leeds United confirmed it had reserved another fortnight to deliver its decision.

Dick Knight, the chairman of Brighton & Hove Albion, who are two places and four points behind sixth-placed Leeds in League One's final play-off place, criticised as "a farce" the announcement that a verdict should not be expected until May 1. That is 48 hours before League One's final round of fixtures and only eight days before the play-offs begin.

"Either Leeds have a case or not and I wouldn't have thought it was beyond the wit of an independent tribunal to make a decision after three days," Knight said. "It's fine to try to make a judgment but when it makes a nonsense of the competition itself then you need a review of how arbitrations are made.

"At the very beginning the tribunal should have resolved to make a decision before this round of fixtures. This means the administrative tail is wagging the dog."

The further this drags on it seems like an agreement has been made behind closed doors and will be revealed when it affects the least number of teams.
 
Well the results today confirmed that we (Swansea) will be promoted today regardless of the Leeds United fiasco that's going on.

The only thing that Leeds can do now (as far as Swansea are concerned) is knick the League One crown off us if they get the 15 points back as we'll be 1 point ahead.
 
Well the results today confirmed that we (Swansea) will be promoted today regardless of the Leeds United fiasco that's going on.

The only thing that Leeds can do now (as far as Swansea are concerned) is knick the League One crown off us if they get the 15 points back as we'll be 1 point ahead.

Could be an interesting scenario at our ground come the last game of the season if you need points to take the title :D

Not that we would throw the game or anything!
 
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