Easiest thing to do is just not get involved in political discussions where possible. I don't argue against other people's political views but IME most others don't share this position so I just smile and nod all the time now, much easier.
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I just say contradictory crap and want them get confused.
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Devil's advocate for me. The only joy of intransigent believers is that they are so wind-uppable.
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To be fair, not all Labour supporters are that bad, it sounds to me like it's that one guy who annoys you.
I do tend to find that Lefties are more vocal in their support and that's not always a good thing, especially if the person in question is not very bright. The annoying thing about the BBC for me is that it is obviously biased to the left. This would not be a bad thing if they weren't meant to be impartial.
My own opinion of the lefties are that they seem to be a lot more short-sighted and have short memories. Remember how much debt the Labour government ran us intro under Tony Blair/Gordon Brown by increasing public spending? And that note left for the conservative treasurer just shows the level of professionalism.
I believe no one government should be in power longer than two terms so I think Labour should get into power (for one term) next, ideally. Unfortunately I do not think the Labour party will be capable of leading the country properly in its current state.
I do tend to find that Lefties are more vocal in their support and that's not always a good thing, especially if the person in question is not very bright. The annoying thing about the BBC for me is that it is obviously biased to the left. This would not be a bad thing if they weren't meant to be impartial.
My own opinion of the lefties are that they seem to be a lot more short-sighted and have short memories. Remember how much debt the Labour government ran us intro under Tony Blair/Gordon Brown by increasing public spending? And that note left for the conservative treasurer just shows the level of professionalism.
I believe no one government should be in power longer than two terms so I think Labour should get into power (for one term) next, ideally. Unfortunately I do not think the Labour party will be capable of leading the country properly in its current state.
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I dont think lefties are any different to tories or libdems or any other section of the political demographic, anyone who holds strong views holds strong views and will almost never be capable of listening and holding decent debate.
Forget the debating pyramid and all that.
Is there likely to be lower intelligence on the left side, historically probably but not raw intelligence. They were historically from the poorer less well educated areas and jobs so by default had lower exposure to facts and experiences. Just as equally look at the throw away comments you get in regards people like Boris and Cameron being out of touch for being ex Eton.
Forget the debating pyramid and all that.
Is there likely to be lower intelligence on the left side, historically probably but not raw intelligence. They were historically from the poorer less well educated areas and jobs so by default had lower exposure to facts and experiences. Just as equally look at the throw away comments you get in regards people like Boris and Cameron being out of touch for being ex Eton.
but all the lefties in politics are ex eton, and the biggest group of "lefties" is students i higher education
I actually heard that shadow chancellor (don't remember his name) on the radio say this morning that he thought all the small business stuff in the budget was pretty decent. Thought better of him for a fraction of a moment and then started with the crystal ball stuff about how it definitely would all be great if he was in charge and done it all differently. Once that side of things kicks off then there is little point in arguing or trying to debate anything. I tend to just walk away disinterested when the party sponsored rubbish starts - and that's on both sides.
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Personally the thing that annoys me right now about lefties (im right leaning by nature) is they dont seem to understand or want to acknowledge that the world has moved on, the global economy makes the old tactics quite redundant.
Eg "spend our way out of recession"
Immediate issues, how much of what is spent immedately leaves the country as its not manufactured here, supplied from here etc
Say we spend on rail infrastructure, thats quite likely to boost germany and france both of who are far more world class in that area than the UK.
If you can find ways to ensure that a high proportion of the spend is retained and recirculated within the domestic economy then some spending will certainly help but thats far from easy to do. But if you want pretend growth then it looks great.
Last minor niggle is they also generally seem the biggest proponents of the spend now (look its generated growth!) as it gets deflated away, basically the look at history approach. Again this is heavily skewed in the past and certainly current expectations are that low growth and low inflation are far more likely than high growth and high inflation over the medium term.
The problem with debt is that if you keep allowing it to increase eventually servicing it means you cant provide what you want to, and if you are still servicing high debt and another problem comes away you get into even more issues.
Eg "spend our way out of recession"
Immediate issues, how much of what is spent immedately leaves the country as its not manufactured here, supplied from here etc
Say we spend on rail infrastructure, thats quite likely to boost germany and france both of who are far more world class in that area than the UK.
If you can find ways to ensure that a high proportion of the spend is retained and recirculated within the domestic economy then some spending will certainly help but thats far from easy to do. But if you want pretend growth then it looks great.
Last minor niggle is they also generally seem the biggest proponents of the spend now (look its generated growth!) as it gets deflated away, basically the look at history approach. Again this is heavily skewed in the past and certainly current expectations are that low growth and low inflation are far more likely than high growth and high inflation over the medium term.
The problem with debt is that if you keep allowing it to increase eventually servicing it means you cant provide what you want to, and if you are still servicing high debt and another problem comes away you get into even more issues.
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in politics yes, but they are a very very very small tiny fraction of the population
students of course, plenty of people start life left leaning when they have little and its "oh just so unfair" and move right as they get older as they start to see people after the wealth they have worked for.
Those that stay left are more typically the lower paid (although not only by any stretch)
extremely debatable, and historically inaccurate.
There are many reasons why germany became successful and there have been many cases where the opposite occurred.
Economics of countries is not that simple - if it was, everybody would do it and every country would be prosperous.
Proper dyed in the wool lefties are the most blinkered section of the population. I remember how disgusted I was at the Guardian's reporting of the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal. How they gradually rewrote it so that it was in fact 'white men' (in general) and the police who were entirely to blame. 1400 children raped in our country and rather than admit that it was at least partially a failure of multiculturalism, a so-called serious newspaper looked to blame everyone other than those who actually committed the crime.
At that point I removed any bookmarks to their gutter rag and won't visit their site again. Lefties eh.
At that point I removed any bookmarks to their gutter rag and won't visit their site again. Lefties eh.
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Where lefties "blame" government for peoples' problems, reasoning that people are shaped and make their choices based on being a product of their environment, and that environment can be broadly shaped by government policy, right-wingers "blame" the individual, reasoning that people are free to make the choices they make and that environmental factors are simply challenges rather than insurmountable obstacles.
Hence we get right wingers hammering benefit scroungers, people with too many kids, drug addicts, low-earners, or whatever, and left-wingers hammering government, the apparent nastiness of 'I'm alright Jack' types, and decrying the uneven playing field we all try to make our way upon.
You get fools on either side. To be honest, we actually get more right wing fools on this forum than left wing ones, but there's a sprinkling of those too.
Hence we get right wingers hammering benefit scroungers, people with too many kids, drug addicts, low-earners, or whatever, and left-wingers hammering government, the apparent nastiness of 'I'm alright Jack' types, and decrying the uneven playing field we all try to make our way upon.
You get fools on either side. To be honest, we actually get more right wing fools on this forum than left wing ones, but there's a sprinkling of those too.
Errr... that's the right-wing 'libertarian' standpoint.One even likened the 'sugar tax' a precursor becoming a nanny state. I mean, really?
What's fun is pretending to be a more extreme lefty and watching them agree out of politeness.
Benefit scroungers, junkies, and people who spew out kids for the state to keep should be rightly hammered every day of the week.
Only a leftie would say we have to be sympathetic to them and just allow their state funded lifestyle to continue.
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