Lenon Honor Documentarys

[Nix]

Guys, you're just as guilty for making these threads the way they are as is Magick for posting them.

Magick has done nothing but post something for you to consider - acknowledging that the guy might be nuts - and you're already jumping down his throat simply because of who it is.

If you're interested, then put your biases aside and approach it objectively. Criticise if that's what you feel needs to be done, but don't shoot the messenger; Magick is only sharing something that he thought would be of interest for some.

Stop the tired old "lulz BS" posts and either engage or click back. This is beginning to get as bad as the old muslim bashing threads were.

 

[J.B]

I will watch the video tomorrow I think then make a comment.

Was thinking about Magick today when I logged on to my Uni intranet and saw a topic posted under the title "We dare society" it read as follows:

This society is basically going to offer views about politics and the economy without the lies, spin and deceit that is mixed in with what is
reported by modern news services. Basically, we are going to be reporting politics without the B.S. and shall expose the system for how it truly
works. The first meeting is going to air the truly amazing docu-film called 'wake up call' that will frankly change your mind about the way you view
politics and possibly about the way you view society. Come along and bring friends and I guarantee it will not be a waste of your time. Many aspects
are covered so there is something there for everyone.

First meeting shall be on the 27th at 6pm in room N003, hope to see you there.

Have you seen that one Magick? Whats it about?

 

[Greenlizard0]

Guys, you're just as guilty for making these threads the way they are as is Magick for posting them.

Magick has done nothing but post something for you to consider - acknowledging that the guy might be nuts - and you're already jumping down his throat simply because of who it is.

If you're interested, then put your biases aside and approach it objectively. Criticise if that's what you feel needs to be done, but don't shoot the messenger; Magick is only sharing something that he thought would be of interest for some.

Stop the tired old "lulz BS" posts and either engage or click back. This is beginning to get as bad as the old muslim bashing threads were.

All stupid threads get treated this way. It's just that every one he starts is like this - he's not getting the hint.

 

[Nix]

All stupid threads get treated this way. It's just that every one he starts is like this - he's not getting the hint.

It's only stupid if you choose to see it that way. Now, I'm no conspiracy nut, you know that - but this thread is no where near the poor calibre as other threads that warranted the abuse.

There is perfect potential here for general discussion and debate.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Ok, I don't have the enthusiasm to watch all of the individual films and frankly if it hasn't caught my attention in the first 10 or so minutes then it isn't likely to but so far I've watched the first segment and all it is arousing in me is a vague feeling of derision. We've had the standard conspiracy theory coverall of "if you don't agree then your mind is closed but mine is open and so I can see clearly" (paraphrased), references to Illuminati symbols and possession/control by beings/entities that are not of this World and evil apparantly abides by the same rules as vampires do (won't come in unless invited in). Maybe I'm just possessed and that is why I can't accept it but I certainly wouldn't be betting the house on that.

I like the idea that humanity isn't inherantly evil but sadly I don't think all people adhere to the same moral code and that is nothing to do with another entity controlling them. I've got little intention of attempting to watch the rest and yet somehow I don't fear that I will be missing out on any life changing revelations, I do worry however that it is 3 hours which could be better spent watching a film I might enjoy or reading a book.

 

[Greenlizard0]

It's only stupid if you choose to see it that way. Now, I'm no conspiracy nut, you know that - but this thread is no where near the poor calibre as other threads that warranted the abuse.

There is perfect potential here for general discussion and debate.

Sure, and his earlier threads probably got treated like that. However after a while, his threads are basically going over the same premises time and time again and there's no point. If they were warmly recieved all the time, then by all means start another - but he's not getting the hint that people don't really like or care for the subjects he links to. Particularly so as they all sound the same; and he gets the same replies...etc.

 

[Nix]

Sure, and his earlier threads probably got treated like that. However after a while, his threads are basically going over the same premises time and time again and there's no point. If they were warmly recieved all the time, then by all means start another - but he's not getting the hint that people don't really like or care for the subjects he links to. Particularly so as they all sound the same; and he gets the same replies...etc.

True, but we have the same problems every time a religious thread is started. There are a small group of posters who do enjoy magick's posts even if they don't believe in what he's arguing. I just don't think it's fair for the vocal members to deride the thread before it's even begun; if the thread is truly awful then let it fall into the abyss of GD like hundreds of other 'bad' threads do.

Magick is not rude, nor is he completely braindead with circular reasoning (as some posters are yet do not get attacked whenever they post) and is certainly not trolling. He does not deserve the stupid responses every time he posts - if people don't like it then they should ignore the threads completely and let him take the hint that way; negative attention (i.e. the posting of spam) is still attention.

 

[Gilly]

If all of your threads were treated in this fashion Nix, would you continue to post them?

 

[magick]

Ok, I don't have the enthusiasm to watch all of the individual films and frankly if it hasn't caught my attention in the first 10 or so minutes then it isn't likely to but so far I've watched the first segment and all it is arousing in me is a vague feeling of derision. We've had the standard conspiracy theory coverall of "if you don't agree then your mind is closed but mine is open and so I can see clearly" (paraphrased), references to Illuminati symbols and possession/control by beings/entities that are not of this World and evil apparantly abides by the same rules as vampires do (won't come in unless invited in). Maybe I'm just possessed and that is why I can't accept it but I certainly wouldn't be betting the house on that.

I like the idea that humanity isn't inherantly evil but sadly I don't think all people adhere to the same moral code and that is nothing to do with another entity controlling them. I've got little intention of attempting to watch the rest and yet somehow I don't fear that I will be missing out on any life changing revelations, I do worry however that it is 3 hours which could be better spent watching a film I might enjoy or reading a book.

The first section is just an introduction to some basic concepts that he talks about in the Jay-Z video. The thing is if you watch the rest of the videos he makes a very strong case for his view that Jay-Z song is subtely talking about his involvement with 'demonic' forces and poesession.

 

[magick]

True, but we have the same problems every time a religious thread is started. There are a small group of posters who do enjoy magick's posts even if they don't believe in what he's arguing. I just don't think it's fair for the vocal members to deride the thread before it's even begun; if the thread is truly awful then let it fall into the abyss of GD like hundreds of other 'bad' threads do.

Magick is not rude, nor is he completely braindead with circular reasoning (as some posters are yet do not get attacked whenever they post) and is certainly not trolling. He does not deserve the stupid responses every time he posts - if people don't like it then they should ignore the threads completely and let him take the hint that way; negative attention (i.e. the posting of spam) is still attention.

Thanks for the vote of confidence

 

[magick]

I've just watched this documentary which is an analysis of Michael Jacksons Beat It. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=44CF6A72E1DDE294&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL

This has shed a whole new light onto what michael jackson is really about with subliminal references to sexual acitivitys with young boys and other 'immoral' behaviour.

 

[Sankari]

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[jamief]

Now thIs guy is either totaly insane or one of the greatest genius alive.

One of his documentaries is an in depth analyiss of Jaz-Z and Rihannas song 'Rain Man'. And I adivse to watch it all before dismissing it.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=F94D769E3AF139A8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL

Even someone like me didn't notice most of the occult subliminals in this video. There's a fine line between genius and insanity and make no mistake Lenon Honor is that fine line

LOOK!! I have discovered a secret hidden message in magicks post! He is trying to tell us something about himself....

 

[semi-pro waster]

The first section is just an introduction to some basic concepts that he talks about in the Jay-Z video. The thing is if you watch the rest of the videos he makes a very strong case for his view that Jay-Z song is subtely talking about his involvement with 'demonic' forces and poesession.

Ok, let's assume for a split-second that Jay-Z is controlled by demons and they have him as a puppet saying whatever they want him to say because he's let them get control of him - to what possible benefit would they put "clues" in the lyrics relating to their possession of him? Mr Honor has already stated that their power lies in not revealing themselves and insidiously taking possession without the subjects concious knowledge - now we've got that as a backdrop then why reveal yourself subtly or otherwise? That's almost a complete non-sequitur in logical terms, there may be a get out clause but I'll await your response on that.

I started watching the Michael Jackson video too, more of the same claims and "you'll only see if you intend to see" - sheer breathtaking arrogance, it's almost a form of inverse snobbery whereby someone claims that because they see something no-one else does that they are the only person with unfettered vision. That isn't necessarily what it means at all, if you see something that no-one else sees occasionally you have to question whether it is you or the crowd that is wrong.

 

[magick]

Ok, let's assume for a split-second that Jay-Z is controlled by demons and they have him as a puppet saying whatever they want him to say because he's let them get control of him - to what possible benefit would they put "clues" in the lyrics relating to their possession of him? Mr Honor has already stated that their power lies in not revealing themselves and insidiously taking possession without the subjects concious knowledge - now we've got that as a backdrop then why reveal yourself subtly or otherwise? That's almost a complete non-sequitur in logical terms, there may be a get out clause but I'll await your response on that.

Good point and to be honest I don't know. The fact remains clearly the song and video isn't at face value about what it claims to be about. And there the single shot image that's been photoshoped in the video is clearly a demonic face isn't it and can only be seen if slowed down i.e. the subconcious picks it up but the concious doesn't?

I started watching the Michael Jackson video too, more of the same claims and "you'll only see if you intend to see" - sheer breathtaking arrogance, it's almost a form of inverse snobbery whereby someone claims that because they see something no-one else does that they are the only person with unfettered vision. That isn't necessarily what it means at all, if you see something that no-one else sees occasionally you have to question whether it is you or the crowd that is wrong.

Please tell me you watched the video beyond the introduction? You have to watch the video to the end. You can't denie there are a lot of subliminal messages in it though of homosexuality. And regarding the guy dressed like young boy and the facial expression he makes at the end?

 

[Raikiri]

I don't know if this is covered in the video as, honestly I didn't watch all of it but Rihanna didn't actually write a word of that song.

 

[semi-pro waster]

Good point and to be honest I don't know. The fact remains clearly the song and video isn't at face value about what it claims to be about. And there the single shot image that's been photoshoped in the video is clearly a demonic face isn't it and can only be seen if slowed down i.e. the subconcious picks it up but the concious doesn't?

Subliminal advertising doesn't work as far as I am aware so a split seconds worth of a demonic face (even assuming that is what it is and furthermore that it hasn't been photoshopped in by Mr Honor) isn't liable to impact on that.

And why is this "clearly not at face value what it claims to be about"? If you want to read meanings into something then you can attribute meanings where none actually apply - I'll give you a paraphrased story told to me by an old English teacher of mine, their daughter was charged with writing an essay on their interpretation of a well known poem and then handed it in to be marked, it was returned with a failing grade because they hadn't picked up on some imagery that the daughter's teacher thought important, years later my English teacher ran into the poet by chance and remembered about this essay so asked "what did you mean by such and such imagery in your poem" - the reply "I just liked it, there was nothing hidden". The moral and one I've always remembered is that you can add interpretation to things that have none to be gleaned beyond what you yourself put onto them.

Please tell me you watched the video beyond the introduction? You have to watch the video to the end. You can't denie there are a lot of subliminal messages in it though of homosexuality. And regarding the guy dressed like young boy and the facial expression he makes at the end?

I watched the first three minutes or so and then started skipping through towards the end, I should say that I rather enjoyed watching Beat It again, nice of him to include it in its entirety.

I don't view the video as promoting homosexuality but then even if it did I can't say it would bother me unduly, homosexuality isn't something you catch, it's not like a game of tag except with "the gay" instead.

 

[magick]

Subliminal advertising doesn't work as far as I am aware so a split seconds worth of a demonic face (even assuming that is what it is and furthermore that it hasn't been photoshopped in by Mr Honor) isn't liable to impact on that.

He hasn't photoshopped it in. You see you critisising the video without having wtached it. The video involves a still image of rhianna doing a pose that can't be performed physicaly unless you have a 12" neck and can bend it at 180 degrees. The still image was edited or distorted to give that appearence and does look rather like a demonic face. And the makers of the video put this image in not Lenon.

I watched the first three minutes or so and then started skipping through towards the end, I should say that I rather enjoyed watching Beat It again, nice of him to include it in its entirety.

I don't view the video as promoting homosexuality but then even if it did I can't say it would bother me unduly, homosexuality isn't something you catch, it's not like a game of tag except with "the gay" instead.

To be fair if you skipped through it you wouldn't have seen all the points he makes in the video so you can't accurately comment about the points put across.

And the video isn't promoting homosexuality per se, but rather group masterbation with homosexual tendencies according to Honor. And he does give quite a good ace for it if you watch the full video.

 

[semi-pro waster]

He hasn't photoshopped it in. You see you critisising the video without having wtached it. The video involves a still image of rhianna doing a pose that can't be performed physicaly unless you have a 12" neck and can bend it at 180 degrees. The still image was edited or distorted to give that appearence and does look rather like a demonic face. And the makers of the video put this image in not Lenon.

You're right I haven't watched all the video, I said as much but since you (or Mr Honor if you prefer) has given the conclusion that there has been something demonic inserted then I'm giving you a possible explanation and noting that subliminal advertising can be demonstrated not to work. However if you'd care to highlight exactly which of Mr Honor's videos it is in or give a direct link and time stamp then I'll take a look, bearing in mind I've just watched through the full Umbrella video though I'll be surprised if there is anything particularly untoward in there.

To be fair if you skipped through it you wouldn't have seen all the points he makes in the video so you can't accurately comment about the points put across.

And the video isn't promoting homosexuality per se, but rather group masterbation with homosexual tendencies according to Honor. And he does give quite a good ace for it if you watch the full video.

You're sort of right, I haven't seen all the points but based on previous experience (and that includes Mr Honor's videos that you've linked to) there is nothing compelling me to spend a lot of time watching something which treads old ground and treats me as an imbecile while I do so.

Is group masturbation with homosexual tendencies a big problem in Mr Honor's part of the World? If it's subliminal messaging then given the length of time Beat It has been out for then you'd expect to see the results from it by now, no?