Level 2 Survey concerns. Should I be or not?

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I have offered over asking for a property we really liked. There was a lot of interest at asking and originally lost out but the other buyer had supposedly lied about their financial position.

It's a 2 bedroom detached bungalow. Asking price was 170 000. We had an offer of 190 000 accepted.

Survey has come back and suggested it's only worth 175 000.

The survey also picked up the following major concerns. Some we knew about such as heating in conservatory and windows.

Some we were not aware of such as missing lintel, roof strapping, conservatory and kitchen door into garage.

Could I have advice whether I should be concerned by the following please. Just need some perspective as we feel very invested now. Have already paid for searches and solicitor fees.

1.

The cement pointing along the edge of the roof (called the verge) is missing in places and should be replaced. Adjacent parts of the roof covering may have to be disturbed to repair the verge tiles and this can increase the amount of repair work.

2.
There should be a lintel over every window and door opening to support the weight of the wall
above. I was not able to see any lintel above the front (right hand) window opening and some slight cracking and deflection of bricks was noted. You should ask an appropriately qualified person to open up the wall above this opening and provide additional support as required.
Above and to the right of the rear Kitchen window opening, a number of deteriorated (spalled) bricks need to be replaced.
A few spalled bricks and a small area of brickwork needing repointing, was noted to the front upper right hand corner (just below the lower section of the roof).

3.
The heating in the conservatory is part of the heating system in the main property.

To comply with Building Regulations, the radiator would need top be removed. An independent heating unit can be installed if required.

When adding a conservatory to the existing external wall of a building, it is important that the cavity wall below the roof level of the new conservatory does not suffer damp penetration. The outside wall surface above the roofline is exposed to rain and there is a risk, depending on the exposure of the external wall, that dampness moves down to below the roofline and into the conservatory.
A cavity tray (physical barrier to direct water within an external wall to the exterior) is normally required to be installed in the existing wall, at the point where the conservatory roof meets the exterior wall. At the time of inspection, there were no obvious signs of a major problem with dampness, although this is often only seen after a period of heavy rain. Without opening up the brickwork, I am unable to confirm if a cavity tray has been installed. Your legal adviser should make enquiries with the vendor to confirm that the contractor, who built the conservatory, installed a suitable cavity tray above the conservatory roof line. In the absence of this confirmation, it would be prudent to carry out exposure work to determine this. This work will require the consent of the owner. Should cavity trays be required, installing these will be expensive.

4.

The main roof covering is supported by factory made gang nailed trussed rafters. The trusses are not adequately windbraced and although this property was built before such bracing was
considered as important as it is today, it is recommended that this is now fitted in accordance with current Building Regulations.
The improvement will significantly reduce the risk of potential wind damage causing serious
movement of the roof structure. Also the end trusses are not properly strapped to the walls (they should be strapped across a minimum of three trussed rafters), and this should be corrected.
There is underfelt beneath the roof covering.
The felt lining under the roof covering can become brittle with age, particularly when exposed to sunlight, rainwater and wind action. Deterioration often occurs at the bottom of the roof and at the edges where the lining is more exposed. Coverings should be kept in good condition at all times.
The felt should be repaired or replaced as soon as any deterioration occurs.
The roof space does not have enough ventilation. A lack of ventilation in the roof space can cause
mould growth and wood rot, and additional ventilation should be provided soon.

5.
The internal door and frame to the Kitchen needs to be a minimum half hours fire resistance and
be fitted with a self closing mechanism. The door itself may be adequate, but there was no
intumescent strip or smoke seal, and this should be rectified. This together with the lack of a self closing mechanism are safety hazards.

6.
The blockwork drive has dropped in a number of places and needs repair. The blocks have
dropped adjacent to the inspection cover in the drive. The inspection cover adjacent to this area
was lifted and there was no evidence of any drainage problem.

There were issues with rot in window frames, rot in windows of conservatory and a load of minor things.
 
Heating to the conservatory and kitchen door are all to do with building Reg changes. When the conservatory was added you were able to have central heating in a conservatory and we had it in our last house. The newer regs do not allow this as it is not energy efficient. You can always turn the radiator off at the taps so it really is not an issue. Is it open plan to conservatory?

Ours was open plan and it made it hard to heat in winter and meant the kitchen was cold aswell. In summer the downstairs was unbearably hot.

Similarly the kitchen door is a non issue. We lived in a town house before so every door had auto-close. With kids fingers at risk and constant banging, they end up held open with door stops or have the auto-close removed. It wouldn’t stop me buying a house and if you wanted to add it later it is a fairly easy install DIY.
 
All seems fine.

Point 5 is quite funny - does he want like a commercial grade door between your kitchen and your house?
 
Point 4 is also weird as we just recently had a level 2 survey of our previous property this year. This also had a conservatory with a radiator connected to the main heating system and no query was raised what so ever. We still don't know if the original developers sought planning permission for it because, at that time when the house was built, if the heating system to a conservatory was connected to the main heating system then it was required.
Currently the planning portal states that the permissions for conservatory's are the same as for any extension https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/conservatories/planning-permission
 
Point 4 is also weird as we just recently had a level 2 survey of our previous property this year. This also had a conservatory with a radiator connected to the main heating system and no query was raised what so ever. We still don't know if the original developers sought planning permission for it because, at that time when the house was built, if the heating system to a conservatory was connected to the main heating system then it was required.
Currently the planning portal states that the permissions for conservatory's are the same as for any extension https://www.planningportal.co.uk/permission/common-projects/conservatories/planning-permission
The point raised was a building regs one which is separate to planning permission (IIRC).

Its like saying my 1880s cottage "failed" the survey because it didn't have a cavity wall or DPC...
 
point 4 i would get ventilation put in as i have had problems here. You can ask for a roofer to take a look now and quote for anything before you exchange.
 
Reads like a typical survey report. They will pick up everything to cover their behinds.

And if they didnt they would get sued.

Indemnity insurance for surveying companies is a huge burden because of the highly letigious attitude of many people who, as per your own words' expect the surveyor to 'pick up everything'.
 
The point raised was a building regs one which is separate to planning permission (IIRC).

Its like saying my 1880s cottage "failed" the survey because it didn't have a cavity wall or DPC...
I agree with you but my point is sometimes you'll get 'opinions' from surveyors only because they have to justify their professional and these opinions will vary from one to another, we had similar with our current property and a survey.
However they'd be correct in pointing out the downside to not having cavity walls and definitely any lack of a dpc. Especially if a mortgage lender bases their decisions to offer any loans on a survery.
 
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Reads like a typical survey report. They will pick up everything to cover their behinds.
This is also my experience. Cover themselves with language such as "this may or may not..." and "full evaluation as to the problem cannot be assessed due to limited access to..." etc.
These reports are annoying. You sort of want one when you're spending hundreds of thousands in case you've missed something, but then when you get the report back it tends to list things that are obvious, or basically cover themselves for every possibility. Saying that they have raised some points to look at so I guess it's paid for itself.

1: I wouldn't care much but might take a closer look myself.
2: There should be lintels, they could not see that they were present (so still might be). Might be worth looking at further. The bricks can be replaced fairly easily but can be costly and hard to obtain the right ones to match.
3: I mean...yeah damp could be an issue but it could not. I mean the owners aren't going to let you "open the wall" so...it's a risk you have to take. The radiator can surely stay? It may not meet regs but they've obviously put it there to help heat the room regardless as to how well it integrates in terms of stat/trv/balancing. It obviously helps.
4: I would sort the ventilation at minimum with just some sofit vents and/or roof tile vents. Cheap to do and well worth the peace of mind.
5: Completely ignore this. We had similar warning on all our doors. Our doors are all fire doors and none have the strips or self closers because they are ugly AF and nobody does this. For the kitchen to garage door, I might consider the strips to help seal for insulation purposes but otherwise I would not worry.
6: Depends how bad we are talking. Have you seen visual photos of it?

In terms of the window frame rot spoken of, this could be basic damp/mould from condensation from drying washing indoors, or could be bad. Would need to see pics and make a judgement.
 
Thanks for the input so far.

We went back to the seller and have agreed a reduction to £180 000.

I spoke to the man who did the survey. He stated that he believes it's only worth 175 000 but did admit that not many bungalows come up with a large corner plot so can understand why we would want to pay more.

The windows are too far gone and we will have to replace. The bricks on the driveway were noticeably dropping. We were concerned about this due to channeling the water away.

Now we have all the other stresses to go through with the purchase. After reading what you have all said we will definitely carry on with the sale.
 
Congrats man..exciting times. It'll never be 'done' so don't stress over incremental progress.
 
Having recently been there, take anything said about a roof with a pinch of salt. Check for signs of leak of course, anything else, short of a new modern roof is unrealistic to expect.
 
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