Oh god, there it is
I like Scotty too but not everyone wants to drive a billion miles in a 96 Celica, many folks actually don't mind paying extra costs on cars in return for some extra luxury / performance / style / whatever.
Lexus IS 250
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Oh god, there it is
I like Scotty too but not everyone wants to drive a billion miles in a 96 Celica, many folks actually don't mind paying extra costs on cars in return for some extra luxury / performance / style / whatever.
Sorry, BMWs have been crap for years - they are all mostly leased out anyway so 'owners' don't really care about upkeep and they are just thrown back to the forecourt for some sucker. They have been at the bottom of surveys for years, probably the last 10 years they have been in or around the bottom.
I would sooner buy than rough looking Lexus with dodge tyres over a fancy BMW any day of the week, I know it will have far less chance of c0cking up
subscribe to scotty kilmer on youtube, a veteran mechanic of 50 odd years - see what he thinks
Scotty Kilmer is a drip. He knows far less than he thinks he does. I cant stand him. Save your ears the pain and don't bother looking him up. Basically he thinks 90's Toyotas are the only good cars ever made and he sounds like he's been gargling gravel and is trying to shout it back out.
And that chart doesn't look too great for Toyota (Lexus) either to be honest. I thought they would fare far better. Down near Nissan somewhere.
BMW have been going steadily downhill since the E9X and E6X launched in the mid 2000's. I wouldn't necessarily call them "crap" though.
Complicated yes. Unreliable, I think thats a fair assessment too. As well as ugly more recently. I have no doubt that they drive better than the equivelant Lexus though. BMW do driving dynamics very well. They always have.
I would rather buy a slightly tatty Lexus than a Shiny BMW too, because I agree they stand less chance of going **** up. They are also considerably cheaper for the same level of "stuff".
But if I had more money I'd go straight out and buy a "hot" BMW in a beautiful BMW Individual colour... And an extended fully comprehensive warranty.
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Scotty Kilmer is a drip. He knows far less than he thinks he does. I cant stand him. Save your ears the pain and don't bother looking him up. Basically he thinks 90's Toyotas are the only good cars ever made and he sounds like he's been gargling gravel and is trying to shout it back out.
And that chart doesn't look too great for Toyota (Lexus) either to be honest. I thought they would fare far better. Down near Nissan somewhere.
BMW have been going steadily downhill since the E9X and E6X launched in the mid 2000's. I wouldn't necessarily call them "crap" though.
Complicated yes. Unreliable, I think thats a fair assessment too. As well as ugly more recently. I have no doubt that they drive better than the equivelant Lexus though. BMW do driving dynamics very well. They always have.
I would rather buy a slightly tatty Lexus than a Shiny BMW too, because I agree they stand less chance of going **** up. They are also considerably cheaper for the same level of "stuff".
If I had more money I'd go straight out and buy a "hot" BMW in a beautiful BMW Individual colour... And an extended fully comprehensive warranty.
I don't like Scotty either, but for his target audience (people who doesn't know a huge amount about cars) most of his advice is relatively helpful, which is why he does so well. He makes a lot of sweeping generalizations, but he's worked out how to make the youtube format as profitable as possible, so you can't blame him really.
That survey is JD power, so not worth the paper it's written on. I personally would have no problem owning a BMW, or any other similar luxury car, but there's no doubt that Lexus are leagues ahead in terms of reliability.
The trick is avoiding ex-lease cars. So many are clocked or dodgy in other ways and BMWs seem to be much more of a minefield. But not many get bought outright from new anymore.
Not sure about that chart though. No way I'd put VW, Mini or Vauxhall above Toyota lol. And Peugeot at the top? Wat....
Not sure about that chart though. No way I'd put VW, Mini or Vauxhall above Toyota lol. And Peugeot at the top? Wat....
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I've never been able to see the appeal for these 250s, poor performance, high tax and high fuel consumption, It's only redeeming factor is its probably reliable, I like Lexus, I love the older IS200/300 cars, but I think you're mad to entertain a 250, The diesel maybe but not the petrol car.
I don't think its fair to say its the only redeeming factor. They are geared to the nines with luxury tech and the 2.5 V6 might not be a performer or an eco warrior but paired with a decent auto-box it suits the character of the car. The reliability and build quality is the icing on the cake.
The old IS200 was even slower and even worse on fuel.
It's a big, durable, but under-stressed NA engine (like the old American V8s) That's why they are reliable. The hp/ltr is rubbish but it isn't a performance car.
Once you start adding turbos and more emissions control stuff the reliability gets worse.
Once you start adding turbos and more emissions control stuff the reliability gets worse.
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I have owned 2 IS200’s in the past, it’s the same with them the fuel consumption is slightly higher than others and the performance is down even with that higher fuel consumption. But that’s a price to pay for reliability I would be willing to spend.
would I buy a IS250 most certainly. It’s a nice lazy V6 pair with a great auto box. The diesel I would not touch, it’s the worst Lexus ever.
I wouldn't say the HP/Litre is rubbish. 205HP/186lbft from an NA 2.5 is fine.
The equivelant BMW the E90 325i made 215HP/184lbft from an NA 2.5.
The IS does weigh over 100KG more than the 325i.
On paper figures put the 325i Auto at 7.5 seconds to 60, and the IS250 at 8.1 seconds to 60.
Consensus seems to be that the average MPG in mixed driving conditions is around 25MPG~ for both of them despite BMW claiming better MPG on paper than Lexus did.
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Sounds like my 8th gen K24 Accord, except it is a bit better on fuel (And i've had low 40s out of it) and a fun revvy vtec engine when you want to have a bit of fun and refined when you want to cruise at motorway speeds in 6th.
MK6 Type R will get low 40's on a run and is considerably quicker and more fun!
Possibly not as refined as a MK8 though!
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So general consensus here is, just buy an Accord
Totally different car.
One is a revvy ****box, the other is a purring kittycat.
Oh god, there it is
I like Scotty too but not everyone wants to drive a billion miles in a 96 Celica, many folks actually don't mind paying extra costs on cars in return for some extra luxury / performance / style / whatever.
Yes, its called a Lexus
I would like a 'hot' BMW too - they are money pits however, I am talking the cranked up models with twin turbos and 300-400bhp, i need something for a daily and no chance would i be comfortable with one - the N63 'hot vee' 7 series sounds like fun but would be just a load of pain.
Scotty can be annoying but the truth is some people just cannot accept the fact of the matter he is right, he doesn't just **** off BMW he does so for many USA marques also. He has good tips on testing for compression with a DVM also, he speaks many interesting things you dont need to follow him if you don't want to
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you haven't a clue what you are talking about if you even think the 220D is a good choice, the IS250 is thousands of time a better motor than all that crap you see on the roads every day of the week.
I had a K24 accord, i sold it and got the IS250 which was superior - i don't tend to worry about mpg, VED or any of that nonsense.
The Lexus I had a few years but it was just a bit too predictable and boring so i wanted more excitement and got a CL55 AMG supercharger - That was a money pit so i had that a month and bought another Japanese car, a Subaru 3.0R Spec B with the 6MT which is a heck of a car and far better than anything i had before, but VED will scare most people. Its probably doubled in money since i got it 4 years ago also as they are impossible to get
Oh you're the Subaru Legacy guy who posted a video cutting up some car then everyone had an argument about engine reliability vs cubic capacity, I knew I recognised the username.
Glad we agree on something this time.
I will stick with 6 and 8 cylinder cars - thanks.
