Light Bulb Ban Fail

[Dr Who]

It seems the law to ban the manufacture and import of traditional 100w lightbulbs has failed.

They are still available to purchase for industrial use from wholesalers, and not illegal to make or import if marked "unsuitable for home use"

As a result they are still okay to manufacture and import as long as they are marked "unsuitable for domestic use"

Another epic fail on the govts part

The good news is, the industrial spec bulbs are both more durable and last longer than the home varieties!

 

[Dr Who]

100W light bulbs were not banned.
That's because 100W light bulbs were not banned.
Or on yours, for not reading the legislation properly?

The legislation only prohibits the importation of 100W incandescent bulbs to EU countries for domestic use. It does not prohibit the existence, sale or alternative use of 100W incandescent bulbs.

I wonder how long it will be before the price shoots up?

Agreed. This is particularly awkward when you only need to use then intermittently.

Ok retarded response, but I will address it..

The purpose of the legislation was to stop the use of 100w incandescant bulbs in the home so that everyone would switch to energy saving bulbs.

Many people don't like these, and they are still available from wholesalers for industrial or non-domestic use.

Therefore, people who still want them can buy them and use them, legally!

I understand the legislation, I understand its purpose, I am stating it is ineffective, had you used more than one braincell in reading my post, you would have realised that!

 

[Dr Who]

How did it fail, they're not available on the high street where most people buy their bulbs from (I believe this was the whole point), sure if you need a 100w bulb for a certain task or specialist reason go get some wholesale but for general household use I can only imagine partially blind people needing 100w.

It sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet about 100w bulbs, either way there is no epic fail here.

You can buy them on the highstreet for non-domestic use!

The legislation has not achieved what it set out to do!

I have an office at home, I can buy them in singles, seriously you are missing the point here!

Its another example of unworkable, unenforceable legislation.

It doesnt stop the use of existing stocks, and any new stock can just be marked "unsuitable for domestic use" which I am sure people will pay attention to won't they...



Energy saving bulbs do not produce the intial light of an incandescant bulb, and they dont produce the same light which some people don't like. o just because your "experience" doesn't warrant its use, dont assume only blind people want this!

I use energy saving bulbs, I would like to see this legislation work, unfortunately it won't!

Do you really believe if there is a demand for these bulbs, that supermarkets won't find a way to stock them?

B&Q can already stock the industrial ones legally for "non home use"

 

[Dr Who]

I also don't care much for your tone.

Careface?

My response tone was driven by "you did not read blah blah you are dumb you dont understand"

 

[Dr Who]

But the shops will. I would put money on most lightbulbs in this country being bought through the supermarkets and chain DIY stores who won't stock the bulbs any more because they are not for domestic use.

Time will tell, but the fact they bothered to stockpile them kind of indicates they could well do.

 

[Dr Who]

LEDs are indeed the way forward, they offer a nicer light than flourescents.

I even have energy saving flourescents in my spotlight fittings at home, I like the energy savings for the most part, however, I do struggle with their initial light output when turning them on just to find something quickly at night. I have to wait for them to get brighter, as a result, leaving the light on for longer, false economy to a degree.

For people who have triple fittings that take say 3 40w candle style bulbs, the impact is zero, yet those fittings use 120w of power and people really wont want 3 ugly energy savers on show. I am guessing this will improve as more and more bulbs get sold and shapes improve. (I have small round bulbs in my bedside lights that are energy saving so there is hope)

 

[Dr Who]

That's wrong for a start. It sounds like you're comparing a standard genie energy saving bulb to an incandescent bulb.

it's not down to the wattage.

wattage is a measurement of electricity use not light output. If you want to compare the output in light then you need to look at the lumen measurement.

An incandescent 60 watt bulb has around 700 lumen whereas energy saying genie bulbs have 600 lumen which will be the set standard in the future to measure off lumen as so many people get confused now.

many energy saying bulbs exist, if you want a bulb to start straight away then you have the tornado class single tube spiral bulbs or the eco classic 30 bulbs that use G9 halogen bulbs inside.

If you want maximum light out put there are bulbs which will be around 150 watt using 105 watts.

There are GU10 energy saving bulbs. they use 35 watt to produce 50 watt, just have to ask for them.

They are out there. Supermarkets aren't lighting specialists and to be honest neither are homebase and b&q but they do offer a better selection as do other shops.

if you want good bulbs don't get them from supermarkets.

I understand the difference between wattage and light output, however, many flourescent bulbs take a while to warm up and produce their rated lumens, and "wattage equivalance" they also produce a different light which is not always suited to certain tasks..

50hz flourescent vs 60hz monitor is one example, as incandescant lamps dont suffer this frequency flickering.

There is still a place for an incandescant, maybe not 100w ofc in the home despite people having 120w+ triple light fittings.


You are correct that a supermarket will have zero knowledge of the different types and applications, like everything, you cannot go to the cheapest outlet if you need specialist advice. Once you get there, you may then end up walking out with a 100w Incandescant

 

[Dr Who]

For new genie bulbs it's about 3 seconds, there used to be a 30 second rule.

because you have 3 or 4 loops on these genie bulbs, that's what delays them to get to there potential. If you tried the tornado bulbs which holds a single spiral tube then these are instant (after an initial few times of use).

I have some that are initially bright but they take about a second to turn on, is it those of which you speak?

I have no idea which ones I have, most were installed by the engineer that fitted all the lights to the specs requested. Some are energy saving, some are 12v spot.

 

[Dr Who]

Mine don't look like either of those, they are opaque round, I guess thats just a cover over the element...

 

[Dr Who]

I personally don't trust them and they won't last no where near the life span they state yet.

the cfl bulbs were never intended to take varying amounts of electrical input but the halogen bulbs are proven in my opinion.

I switched to cfl in cyprus because the traditional bulbs blew after about a week, these lasted my entire stay, 2 years+ the halogens didnt last well for me there either.

 

[Dr Who]

Dr Who - You able to find an image of the one you have?

http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/80131422

 

[Dr Who]

Can't someone just make 99, or 101Watt versions?

LOL probably