Light Bulb Ban Fail

[V4NT0M]

It seems the law to ban traditional 100w lightbulbs has failed.

They are still available to purchase for industrial use from wholesalers, and not illegal to make or import if marked "unsuitable for home use"

Another epic fail on the govts part

The good news is, the industrial spec bulbs are both more durable and last longer than the home varieties!

How did it fail, they're not available on the high street where most people buy their bulbs from (I believe this was the whole point), sure if you need a 100w bulb for a certain task or specialist reason go get some wholesale but for general household use I can only imagine partially blind people needing 100w.

It sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet about 100w bulbs, either way there is no epic fail here.

 

[SteveOBHave]

I don't get the anti attitude to the energy saving bulbs - it seems like a no brainer to me. Every single bulb in my house is energy saving and they last forever rather than the standard bulbs that I have to replace every 4-6 months.

 

[mrk]

Yeah, so what if they take a few mins to warm up? The immediate light is still enough to get what you need and mosy on.

At this point in time energy savers cost only a very small amount more than normal bulbs but you actually save more over the course of the year on energy usage.

For my home as an example, we have 18 bulbs so if they were used for 6 hours a day then:

Annual cost of running
current 60W bulbs
£260.17
Equivalent Energy Saver bulb
12 Watts
Annual cost of equivalent
Energy Saver Bulb(s)
£52.03
EVERY year you will save
£208.14

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[V4NT0M]

I don't get the anti attitude to the energy saving bulbs - it seems like a no brainer to me. Every single bulb in my house is energy saving and they last forever rather than the standard bulbs that I have to replace every 4-6 months.

Indeed and they cost pennies these days.

 

[Lumeycom]

Yeah, so what if they take a few mins to warm up? The immediate light is still enough to get what you need and mosy on.

At this point in time energy savers cost only a very small amount more than normal bulbs but you actually save more over the course of the year on energy usage.

They are getting better though, some of the newer GE ones start pretty instantly

 

[Dr Who]

100W light bulbs were not banned.
That's because 100W light bulbs were not banned.
Or on yours, for not reading the legislation properly?

The legislation only prohibits the importation of 100W incandescent bulbs to EU countries for domestic use. It does not prohibit the existence, sale or alternative use of 100W incandescent bulbs.

I wonder how long it will be before the price shoots up?

Agreed. This is particularly awkward when you only need to use then intermittently.

Ok retarded response, but I will address it..

The purpose of the legislation was to stop the use of 100w incandescant bulbs in the home so that everyone would switch to energy saving bulbs.

Many people don't like these, and they are still available from wholesalers for industrial or non-domestic use.

Therefore, people who still want them can buy them and use them, legally!

I understand the legislation, I understand its purpose, I am stating it is ineffective, had you used more than one braincell in reading my post, you would have realised that!

 

[mrk]

They are getting better though, some of the newer GE ones start pretty instantly

Yeah I have a Blackspur one in my room, 60watt output but it gives off a very white light compared to all other energy savers which give off a soft light which has a warmer colour. It's like as if my room has its own daylight when you peer through the door - this bulb also starts quickly and reaches mas brightness just as quick.

It cost £2.99 but that was when these first came out...

 

[V4NT0M]

I understand the legislation, I understand its purpose, I am stating it is ineffective, had you used more than one braincell in reading my post, you would have realised that!

That's a matter of opinion. It is definitely more effective than not having the "ban", you really can't argue with that.

I also don't care much for your tone. If you want to start a frank discussion about this topic then do so, do not insult and offend people over 100w light bulbs.

 

[[DOD]Asprilla]

Therefore, people who still want them can buy them and use them, legally!

The percentage of people who will bother will be very, very small though. 99% of folks will just go to the supermarket or homebase and get energy saving bulbs that are on the shelf.

If someone desperately want to use incandescent bulbs then they will be able to find them.

For all practical intents and purposes the legislation will succeed.

 

[Dr Who]

How did it fail, they're not available on the high street where most people buy their bulbs from (I believe this was the whole point), sure if you need a 100w bulb for a certain task or specialist reason go get some wholesale but for general household use I can only imagine partially blind people needing 100w.

It sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet about 100w bulbs, either way there is no epic fail here.

You can buy them on the highstreet for non-domestic use!

The legislation has not achieved what it set out to do!

I have an office at home, I can buy them in singles, seriously you are missing the point here!

Its another example of unworkable, unenforceable legislation.

It doesnt stop the use of existing stocks, and any new stock can just be marked "unsuitable for domestic use" which I am sure people will pay attention to won't they...



Energy saving bulbs do not produce the intial light of an incandescant bulb, and they dont produce the same light which some people don't like. o just because your "experience" doesn't warrant its use, dont assume only blind people want this!

I use energy saving bulbs, I would like to see this legislation work, unfortunately it won't!

Do you really believe if there is a demand for these bulbs, that supermarkets won't find a way to stock them?

B&Q can already stock the industrial ones legally for "non home use"

 

[Dr Who]

I also don't care much for your tone.

Careface?

My response tone was driven by "you did not read blah blah you are dumb you dont understand"

 

[[DOD]Asprilla]

It doesnt stop the use of existing stocks, and any new stock can just be marked "unsuitable for domestic use" which I am sure people will pay attention to won't they...

But the shops will. I would put money on most lightbulbs in this country being bought through the supermarkets and chain DIY stores who won't stock the bulbs any more because they are not for domestic use.

 

[Dr Who]

But the shops will. I would put money on most lightbulbs in this country being bought through the supermarkets and chain DIY stores who won't stock the bulbs any more because they are not for domestic use.

Time will tell, but the fact they bothered to stockpile them kind of indicates they could well do.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Yeah, so what if they take a few mins to warm up? The immediate light is still enough to get what you need and mosy on.

At this point in time energy savers cost only a very small amount more than normal bulbs but you actually save more over the course of the year on energy usage.

For my home as an example, we have 18 bulbs so if they were used for 6 hours a day then:

Annual cost of running
current 60W bulbs
£260.17
Equivalent Energy Saver bulb
12 Watts
Annual cost of equivalent
Energy Saver Bulb(s)
£52.03
EVERY year you will save
£208.14

That math is misleading, I mean who has 18 60W lightbulbs on for 6 hours a day. In the summer I guess in our 3 bed semi we have 3-4 60W bulbs on at anyone time for 4-6 hours. In the winter that will be 4-5 bulbs for hours. But the waste heat of the 60W bulbs is offset by the reduction in heating needed for the house. If 80% of the 5 bulbs at 60W is 240W then that 240W of gas heating I'm not providing. Ok gas might be less expensive per watt but it's still an offset.

The additional expense of flourescents, the poorer quality light and the fact they are unrecyclable containing poisonous mercury are all downsides.

 

[mrk]

It's not 100% accurate but you can give or take accordingly.

I don't know about all homes but we have light clusters in rooms where there is a cluster of 3 bulbs for the lighting in one room and 4 in the other etc. Plus adding to that the floorstanding uplighters dotted around corners. These are usually on in bulk as multiple sources of 60watt light is more pleasing than a single 100watt source which is harsh and fatiguing.

Even if it's 9 lights used for 6 hours that's still £100~ a year saved in energy bills.

 

[V4NT0M]

BTW, what are you basing all this on, how can you tell me that it has failed when it only came into effect today (the phase out), not much of a time period to base it on.

 

[dr4g0nf1y]

Energy saving bulbs do not produce the intial light of an incandescant bulb, and they dont produce the same light which some people don't like. o just because your "experience" doesn't warrant its use, dont assume only blind people want this!

That's wrong for a start. It sounds like you're comparing a standard genie energy saving bulb to an incandescent bulb.

it's not down to the wattage.

wattage is a measurement of electricity use not light output. If you want to compare the output in light then you need to look at the lumen measurement.

An incandescent 60 watt bulb has around 700 lumen whereas energy saying genie bulbs have 600 lumen which will be the set standard in the future to measure off lumen as so many people get confused now.

many energy saying bulbs exist, if you want a bulb to start straight away then you have the tornado class single tube spiral bulbs or the eco classic 30 bulbs that use G9 halogen bulbs inside.

If you want maximum light out put there are bulbs which will be around 150 watt using 105 watts.

There are GU10 energy saving bulbs. they use 35 watt to produce 50 watt, just have to ask for them.

They are out there. Supermarkets aren't lighting specialists and to be honest neither are homebase and b&q but they do offer a better selection as do other shops.

if you want good bulbs don't get them from supermarkets.

 

[wnb]

If you want cheap energy bulbs Dunelm are selling 5 for £5 or atleast they were last week.

 

[saitrix]

Because 60w often isn't enough, and 100w type energy savers still aren't cheap.

Yes they are. Philips 100W equivalent (18W) bulbs in ES and BC are 5 for 49p in Wickes right now. I would certainly say less than 10p per bulb is cheap enough!

 

[Raumarik]

Most of the people I know who have problems with the new type of bulbs are expecting one ceiling light to be powerful enough to light an entire room. Many of them even have floorstanding lamps but don't use them. We've got a fairly large lounge, 6m x 3m, have two ceiling lights and a floor standing lamp. All of them can be turned on/off independently. If anything by using a 60w equivalent ceiling bulb and the 40w equivalent lamp we're able to get better lighting to read etc than with a single 100w traditional bulb.

It's laziness - just as turning the thermostat up rather than chucking a jumper on. Rather than whinging about the new type of bulbs, man up and deal with it you bunch of women, it's going to happen so it's time to find a solution that suits you using the new type of energy efficient bulb.