Lighter Later Campaign

Pawnless Endgame · 21 Jun 2010 at 15:13

So basically, we'll move into the same time zone as Europe, and today being the longest day of the year means that it doesn't get completely dark until 00:00.

Freefaller · 21 Jun 2010 at 15:17

KaHn said:
See are you one of these people who believe in S.A.D.? I don't really think I have a preference to light or dark, I love being out really late at night just wish my job was more suited to it lol

KaHn

I don't have to believe as it is a qualifiable condition, fortunately I don't suffer from it, but I am certainly more energetic in the daylight and I love the sun. I like cold winter evenings too, but they are for spending indoors with a good movie or a book and mug of hot chocolate. I'm not a night owl at all, I like getting up in the morning and getting the most out of the day.

ultrakipper said:
It won't be nice for the night workers when they have to work the extra 2 hours , A 14 hour shift for me !!

How does that work? The shifts would stay the same...

Klo · 21 Jun 2010 at 15:18

No thanks, prefer dark evenings and lighter mornings. Light helps me to get up.

eatcustard · 21 Jun 2010 at 15:39

I would keep BST

Luke · 21 Jun 2010 at 15:43

Offset the proposed CO2 benefits with the extra school run journeys made because so many parents will not want their child walking to school alone in the dark.

Wicksta · 21 Jun 2010 at 15:46

emailiscrap said:
Offset the proposed CO2 benefits with the extra school run journeys made because so many parents will not want their child walking to school alone in the dark.

Kids hardly seem to walk to school these days anyway due to overprotective parents.

I know this argument happens most years but I would really prefer to have more useable light in the evenings after work. If the Scottish farmers don't like it well then here's an idea - get up an hour later and milk your cows then instead.

Greebo · 21 Jun 2010 at 16:11

The school kid argument is one of the main reasons we still have the time change.

However, I agree that nowadays the vast majority don't walk to school anymore so this reason doesn't stack up as much as it did.

Years ago this agrument was valid (my dad walked 5 miles to school every day and back).

Dave85 · 21 Jun 2010 at 16:36

What a horrid idea. This better not happen.

Begbie · 21 Jun 2010 at 17:44

I thought the whole point of the time changing was for farmers, so they could get the work done in the morning?

Or something along those lines, who is it going to affect if it doesn't change.

The rest of the world manages, don't see why we can't.

Plus it ill save me being early/late for work every year! The late bits ok, the early bit not so much!

The Funktopus · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:28

Greebo said:
On another note, if Scottish people aren't happy about it not getting light until 9am, why not leave them changing the clocks and have a time zone at the border?

It already does. Step across into Scotland and you're thrown back to the '70's.

JCBeastie · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:30

As a summer SAD sufferer I'd tellem to **** off!

Jokester · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:32

Greebo said:
On another note, if Scottish people aren't happy about it not getting light until 9am, why not leave them changing the clocks and have a time zone at the border?

I don't have a problem with it, it's either going to be dark at the start of the day or the end of the day so it makes no difference.

Edit:
In fact, what I mean is I see no point in changing clocks full stop.

Amp34 · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:33

JC said:
I don't understand how it's going to make the roads safer, surely the morning commute is likely to be in the dark now? -> more accidents, more NHS ££

Nick1881 said:
Surely it would be darker in the morning meaning most of those benefits are instantly cancelled out?

And there in lies why it has never been implemented (other than a trial).

Yes it means you can have a bit more light in the afternoon but it means you don't have light going to work/school in the morning...

It's a pointless idea and benefits nobody.

Oh and GMT +2 is just as bad an idea. Who wants it to be light at midnight? At least light at half past 3 in the morning doesn't affect those who are already asleep.

Amp34 · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:38

The Craig said:
Id like a lighter earlier campaign, waking up in winter when its still dark ~7-8 is horrible.

Exactly. I wonder how much the number of late/absent workers will increase if this happened. Quite a lot i'd imagine...

kibblerok said:
It's been tried before and didn't work then.

In the middle of winter there is finite daylight hours, it doesnt get light here until 7.30 and is completely dark at 16.30 - changing it by an hour does nothing.

Again, exactly. There is only 8ish ours of daylight to play with, no matter what you do you're not going to be able to increase that amount. Any playing around, shifting it around isn't going to do a jot of difference.

Amp34 · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:42

Greebo said:
I think it's the case more people in winter currently travel home in the dark. Once it's dark at 4.30pm (after the clocks change) then practicularly everybody is travelling home in the dark.

Even with it not getting light until 8.30 in the morning you will have quite I few people still travelling in daylight.

So they'll be driving to work in the dark in the morning then?

All you do is swap which direction people go in the dark.

The only thing that would work is to decrease the number of hours worked. If everyone finished 2 hours early then you could go to work and come back from work in the light...

Jokester · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:45

I don't think is so much to do with the depths of winter, more maximising the daylight in the evening during spring/autumn to make better use of it.

Pickers · 21 Jun 2010 at 18:57

I heard mutterings of this. To be honest, during winter I leave for work when its dark, and I leave work for home when its dark. I wouldnt see any benefit during weekdays.

Plus, in a sad pathetic kind of way, I'd be sad to lose the notoritey of being "GMT"

Amp34 · 21 Jun 2010 at 19:20

Jokester said:
I don't think is so much to do with the depths of winter, more maximising the daylight in the evening during spring/autumn to make better use of it.

What time is it getting light in the mornings when we change the clocks in March? I'm thinking about half 6ish? In which case that will be half 7 ish instead. So we get an extra hour in the evening but are forced to spend even more of the year getting up in the dark. No thanks.

EDIT: Looks like we'll be in to March before we start getting up after sunrise again, so from mid September to the beginning of March we will be getting up before the sun rises (that's assuming getting up around half 7-8am). That's for London, anywhere north would be even worse

Xinn · 21 Jun 2010 at 19:25

Sounds good in theory but will cause havoc trying to implement it.

Bomag · 21 Jun 2010 at 19:27

I could support the argument to move the changing the clocks to the beginning of March rather than the end. Between November and Feb we could just get up later/earlier.

The main problem of going BST/BST+1 is that we will be on the same time as the French