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Load line calibration question

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Hey guys, i have a fair bit of overclocking experience but have never been to sure on load line calibration, i mean, i know the idea is the supply a constant vcore to the cpu at all times to increase stability and combat vdrop(droop? get them mixed up), but im not sure how to use it, i can have like 10% - 50% or full or auto on my bios - i have also heard that it can cause power surges and fry components, is that true? How can i effectively use LLC to stabilize my overclocks further?

Thanks, Jamie
 
Intal and AMD build their chips with higher VID than are actually required to operate, the idea being that this will be the highest (thus controlled) voltage a mobo will put through it. In reality they both plan for horrid vdroop on the cheapest boards but this mean voltage will only drop, and never exceed the VID i.e. they can guarantee the stability and lifetime of said chip. LLC is supposed to fill the void and move said horrid vdroop completely. Now there are three problems here.

First, neither Intel nor AMD support LLC and their engineers would have to be pretty damned poor to have never considered it therefore there has to be some reason they never used it, but have never given any.

Second, to fill that void it means a mobo has to put more voltage though when the chip switches states to compensate. Conversely it means when the chip switches down states then there's, in theory, more power going to the cpu than needed (or conceivably safe).

Third is the simple lack of any real testing. Iirc then there have been at least 2 places which have tried some testing of llc and found tiny spikes, far exceeding the maximum safe voltages but both felt they lacked oscilloscopes with a low enough response to be 100% sure of the lots of tiny spikes theory.

On old boards there was simply an llc on/off option (might have been on p5q, it's been a while) with it on by default but now there's increments. The last Asus board I played with had it at 50% by default. Despite the lack of raw data there are a couple of reasonable assumptions. The fact that Asus ships with it on by default means it is safe, because they'd obviously be responsible for killing chips if it wasn't, and that's bad for business. Although chips have a 10+ year lifespan the guarantee is only for 3.

Also, that higher end boards with good power regulation, like yours (8+2), will be supplying a stable enough voltage for it to be safe. Having said all that, I'm sure there are plenty of Asus owner who probably don't even know it's on, and I've never heard of a single chip die as a result of it. Vdroop doesn't seem to be such a big issue these days anyway. This cheap, non solid cap mobo I'm using is set at 1.35v and put out 1.344v, unlike ones from three years back when you'd set 1.3v and be lucky to get 1.24v.

Worst case scenario is you have to tell amd you bios setting were at default - which is completely true.
 
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One of are PC's is 5 years old , LLC enabled, still going strong, also your over Bios Volt settings play apart, if a voltage setting is on auto it usualy high, all plays apart on how long your CPU will last.
 
It's a contested point. Raising the supply voltage with load would lead to a more constant voltage across the processor, which allows you to use a lower voltage while the chip is idle. The penalty is unknown magnitude voltage spikes when changing between load and idle.

I don't believe a lower voltage at idle is relevant. I don't care what voltage is applied at idle, since little current is flowing implies damage done will be correspondingly little. Voltage at load is where it matters, and llc does nothing to reduce that. So I view it as an unknown hazard for zero gain.
 
Thanks for the very informative answers people! I think im going to leave it off, i've managed to get 4.1ghz stable with 1.39V which is almost stock voltage anyway for the 1055t :) Very interesting info tho, especially azuse, thanks for the essay, (no sarcasm intended) it was very informative :)
 
Which BIOS are you using on your formula, the newer BIOS's did seem to improve LLC performance and made it a little easier to judge(well that was the general consensus), if you ever need to use it that is as you seem to have a nice overclock anyway.
My LLC has been on for the last year or so and not caused me any problems, turbocore(me forgetting to disable it) caused me a lot more stressful moments.
 
Thats not a Chiv bios, 1902 is most latest BIOS (there are others but they're beta or customer support specific) not saying to change it if everything is fine for you. Was just wondering. Use CPU-Z to see what your bios is or something along them lines.
 
Thats not a Chiv bios, 1902 is most latest BIOS (there are others but they're beta or customer support specific) not saying to change it if everything is fine for you. Was just wondering. Use CPU-Z to see what your bios is or something along them lines.

ah 1304 XD well outdated
 
No mate, that was only the Bios before 1902 and 1902 didnt have that many changes if I recall correctly. The LLC things were brought in around 10xx bios so no real point changing it.
 
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