Log Burner in Log Cabin?

i doubt you would be allowed tbh. having a real fire in a wooden structure would probably be against regulations.

you would likely need to create a concrete base and a surround for the back of it, etc. i have no idea but i imagine it wouldn't be allowed.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i doubt you would be allowed tbh. having a real fire in a wooden structure would probably be against regulations.

you would likely need to create a concrete base and a surround for the back of it, etc. i have no idea but i imagine it wouldn't be allowed.
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It is allowed, just wondering who notifies who? Does anyone need to come and check?
 
You can yes, you just need to get it installed by a HETAS engineer really, and just make sure you fit the correct backing plates
 
I would check but other than garages most garden buildings do not tend to come under building regulations unless they are particularly large or need planning permission. HETAS I think only applies to lived in buildings so may not apply yo a log cabin. Certainly I’m not intending to get one HETAS installed in my workshop.
 
PlacidCasual said:
I would check but other than garages most garden buildings do not tend to come under building regulations unless they are particularly large or need planning permission. HETAS I think only applies to lived in buildings so may not apply yo a log cabin. Certainly I’m not intending to get one HETAS installed in my workshop.
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ok, well I have a cabin installed which is 5.5x4 (inside roughly 20m2) was told no planning needed if within 2m of boundary if no higher than 2.5m.

But I've now been told building regs need to check as it's over 15m2 and made of wood as it's within 2m of the boundary.

so last thing I want to do is have someone come and check about log burner.
 
One of my clients has a wood burner in a garden shed. It sits on 2 large garden slabs on the wood deck and has 2 large slabs behind it. The chimney/pipe goes straight up through the roof.

Was installed by a hetas installer but I dont think it needed to be.
 
Use a certified installer.

If it's small consider a narrow boat burner but the fuel will have to be suitably sized as well so you might get annoyed chopping logs into tiny pieces.
 
Maccapacca said:
Use a certified installer.

If it's small consider a narrow boat burner but the fuel will have to be suitably sized as well so you might get annoyed chopping logs into tiny pieces.
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Will definitely go down correct installation route.

Seen this which accepts 300mm logs.

"The V2 (2kw) Modern wood burning stove is a large capacity 2KW wood burning stove ideal for small rooms, conservatories, narrow boats, conservatories and out-buildings up to 30 cubic meters. Ideal for rooms and areas where only a small amount of heat is required without compromising the large glass window and perfect view of the fire. The V2 also has a good size burn chamber enabling a 300mm log to be easily loaded into the 2kw firebox."

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Just a little worried building regs might come check, and from what I now know I may be too close to my boundary for a 20m2 building.
 
snappyfish said:
Just a little worried building regs might come check, and from what I now know I may be too close to my boundary for a 20m2 building.
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I am not a planning/building regs lawyer, this post is not legal advice and I may well get schooled by someone more in the know, but generally the enforcement period for councils to take action for building regs is 12 months unless it poses a risk to the public. Plus they'd need to get an injunction through the courts which could cost thousands.
 
I was told as its not a habitable space then the regs dont apply
Just make sure you cover the obvious ones, ventilation, co alarm

To avoid heat transfer to the timber itself you want something that will convect heat well with a gap behind it, so something like a sheet of 3mm steel with 10mm or so behind (and a gap at the bottom) will absorb any heat from the back of the stove and via convection it will cool as air is pulled upwards. For the base you should aim for a burner that allows 12mm plate underneath as they are designed not to allow much heat to go downwards
 
For log cabins and summerhouses, technically you don't need it to be signed off by a HETAS engineer, which IMO is stupid. If you do a self install, at least get a HETAS engineer to inspect it, and make sure you fit a carbon monoxide alarm before burning.
 
snappyfish said:
ok, well I have a cabin installed which is 5.5x4 (inside roughly 20m2) was told no planning needed if within 2m of boundary if no higher than 2.5m.
But I've now been told building regs need to check as it's over 15m2 and made of wood as it's within 2m of the boundary.
so last thing I want to do is have someone come and check about log burner.
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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/2214/schedule/2/part/6/made

I think part B would apply to you as the inner floorspace is between 15 and 30m2. So it needs to be at least 2m from any outer wall.

I've done something similar to you and mine fell into "class C" as its only 7.5m2 inside, but I needed planning permission as its within the curtails of a listed building and conservation area.


My building fell into "Class VI" - check out the table.
https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200128/building_control/38/building_regulations/2
You'll need to make sure how you fit with Part L and Part P.

  • Stand-alone buildings other than dwellings with a total useful floor area of less than 50m2
I dont think Part L would apply but P will. I assume that you havent done power work yourself and got a good electrician to do the work for you? If you have got a electrician in, part P should be covered ok.
 
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Skillmister said:
I am not a planning/building regs lawyer, this post is not legal advice and I may well get schooled by someone more in the know, but generally the enforcement period for councils to take action for building regs is 12 months unless it poses a risk to the public. Plus they'd need to get an injunction through the courts which could cost thousands.
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https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200128/building_control/38/building_regulations/3


OP,

If I have read that right, the council could do you with sections 35 and 35A, if its been built within 2 years from todays date.

They could do you within section 36 if its been build within 1 year from todays date.


Also note, "enforce the building regulations in its area and will seek to do so by informal means". That could mean anything, but I read that as 'a gentleman’s agreement'.
 
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ok, so this is correct below then, I'm amazed that none of the cabin company's mentioned this when I looked at the size, or the builder when he put the concrete slab in :eek: But then they are just taken money, not helping me!

There does seem to be a few up in and around the area which has not caused a problem.

I guess not arousing any interest then is a good thing. Luckily the boundary it is close to is a concrete car garage with is attached to a house, so not likes it right up against a living area. The one side boundary is a fence and behind that is a 16ft drive for the other house.

So am I correct in thinking if it's been there for two years since completion they cant moan about it?

Hmm... Don't want to take this down! :mad:

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/43/outbuildings/2

Is building regulations approval needed for an outbuilding?

If you want to put up small detached buildings such as a garden shed or summerhouse in your garden, building regulations will not normally apply if the floor area of the building is less than 15 square metres and contains NO sleeping accommodation.

If the floor area of the building is between 15 square metres and 30 square metres, you will not normally be required to apply for building regulations approval providing that the building contains NO sleeping accommodation and is either at least one metre from any boundary or it is constructed of substantially non-combustible materials.
 
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