Logitech Z5500 Subwoofer Placement Help

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I shoud be getting my Logitech Z5500 speakers this week but not sure where to place the sub. The picture below shows my current set up. I am thinking of putting the sub on the carpeted area, will this be a good place?

Another idea I had was to place the sub where the PS3 is. I would have to remove the shelf that the 360 is on for it to fit.

Which of these 2 places would be the best for the sub?

(ignore the other sub in the photo, that will be gone).

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just keep it 1m away from every thing which uses a hard drive or a CRT monitor..

you can put it anywhere in the room, you cant tell where it is by the sound. the normal speakers play and you think the bass comes from where the music is comming from..

mabye i should have said its omni-directional? but put it on the ground if you can, although that carpet area should be ok..... however try it with/without the carpet..

i have proper hardwood floors and it sounds way better than when i had carpet
 
just keep it 1m away from every thing which uses a hard drive or a CRT monitor..

you can put it anywhere in the room, you cant tell where it is by the sound. the normal speakers play and you think the bass comes from where the music is comming from..

mabye i should have said its omni-directional? but put it on the ground if you can, although that carpet area should be ok..... however try it with/without the carpet..

i have proper hardwood floors and it sounds way better than when i had carpet

Half a meter it said on mine...
Anyways I have em very near my tv like 30 centimeters and can't see anything going wrong with the tv...


the normal speakers play and you think the bass comes from where the music is comming from..

Nopes, I can clearly hear it's coming from the corner where my sub is, and the bass is louder in a more ''sealed'' place eg. the corner between my door, one closet and a piece of furniture, the bass is like 2x as loud there...


Anyways I have my sub with the hole pointing towards my room, that way I found the bass to be the loudest...



@ OP

Bet place it half a meter away from any electronics, in a corner of your room would be best on the floor...
 
Nopes, I can clearly hear it's coming from the corner where my sub is, and the bass is louder in a more ''sealed'' place eg. the corner between my door, one closet and a piece of furniture, the bass is like 2x as loud there...

you can clearly hear bass? how big is your room.

just tested it...

song = playing mainly front speakers = base sounds like its comming from the front
playing from rear, sounds like its comming from rear..

and that is high quality techno, short of putting my foot within 30CM near it or on it or feel the air out of the hole its omni-directional :D..

Edit: BTW the control system cable is like 1m or so. so you cant really put it anywhere unless you get a long optical/digital/normal cable
 
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you can clearly hear bass? how big is your

4 by 3 but has a tilted wall.

When I listen in Stereo mode I can clearly hear the bass coming from the bottom left, my sub is situated 10cm next to me but a bit lower...

My 2 fronts are each about 30 cm from me at ear height when I'm sitting like I usually do ( which isn't straight up at all, it's more like half lying on my chair)
 
You will hear bass, past a certain frequency. The Logitech sub will have to go quite high so it's likely it'll be noticeable. From looking at the sats, I'd say around 80-160hz.
 
You will hear bass, past a certain frequency. The Logitech sub will have to go quite high so it's likely it'll be noticeable. From looking at the sats, I'd say around 80-160hz.

yea i know that but mabye his ears are just better spec :D... for me i only hear things which are threatening and in that sense my hearing is like a dolphin..

sometimes works in games :D
 
you should be able to pinpoint bass anywhere from around 50hz upwards really. it should be immediately obvious where the sub is when playing audio with content >80hz, which would be handled by the sub in a sub&sat combo.
 
you should be able to pinpoint bass anywhere from around 50hz upwards really. it should be immediately obvious where the sub is when playing audio with content >80hz, which would be handled by the sub in a sub&sat combo.

yea if you play 80hz bass testers, when you play music there is far more sound than just the bass, and the bass is the hardest to hear, so when 5 other speakers are blasting sound you cant hear the bass like you are claming and if you can then what the hell do you listen too?
 
Im I right in thinking, if you can pinpoint where the bass is comming from, you need to turn the sub down, untill the bass sounds like its comming out of the speakers???
 
Oh yeh another thing to point out, I have the logi z-680s and got them in a 2 or 3meter square room. I use to have the sub it in the middle of a wall, and had the bass just under half vol, but now the sub is in the corner, and I barly need the base vol up at all, think its up 3 notches from being off.
 
yea if you play 80hz bass testers, when you play music there is far more sound than just the bass, and the bass is the hardest to hear, so when 5 other speakers are blasting sound you cant hear the bass like you are claming and if you can then what the hell do you listen too?


rubbish? what the hell do i listen to? all sorts - everythign from metallica to mozart. i have my sub crossed over at 50hz for a reason and its not what i *think*, its what i hear. i didnt spend the time measuring everything with an spl meter and setting up real time equalistion through foobar if i wasnt so particular about the sound from my own stereo:)

Im I right in thinking, if you can pinpoint where the bass is comming from, you need to turn the sub down, untill the bass sounds like its comming out of the speakers???

that can be a cause, yes, but not the only cause. bass in the 100hz region might be very quiet in a particular song but its still directional enough to tell where its coming from. Running a sub too hot will affect the balance of everything coming out of it, obviously so yes, that will make it more obvious too but in the case of very low stuff, its not in a 'i can hear it from over there' way but a 'its louder than everything else' way.

There is one thing, the most important thing, that you should be aware of with a subwoofer and that is the way it interacts with the room. A lot of peopel will tell you bass is not not directional 'so it doesnt matter where you put the sub'. this is the single biggest misconception i think you'll find regarding subwoofers. Where you put a sub in a roo can completely change the the way it interacts with the room. Because of boundary gain, standing waves and everything else involved with a moving piston trying to generate sound waves, the frequency response can be dramatically changed by moving the speaker, or moving yourself. Try it - play some music, move your head around the room and you will hear the sound changes dramatically. the same will happen if you then move the sub but you stay in the same listening position. where i sit listning to my stereo, i have seen a change of over 15db at a particular frequency just by moving the subwoofer. 15db is a huge amount, if you consider that an increase of 3db requires double the input power, you should see what a difference it really makes. so you can see, as far as frequency responce goes, placement is critical.

Now, sound waves ARE directional whatever the frequency. they move in a straight direction away from the driver producing them. them being directional and what we can 'hear' as direction are two different things, but consider this:

imagine a subwoofer positioned off center in a room. a lot of people say a corner of the room is a great idea so we'll go with that - imagine a subwoofer in the front left corner of the room behind the front left speaker, this being a downward firing sub with a front firing port, just for example, with the port firing towards the rear left corner. you will hear without an doubt as i did with my setup like this in my old lounge, that there is a lot of bass in that rear left corner of the room and the rear right, but a null right in the middle of that wall, where i happend to sit. not ideal and a pain in the backside tbh. you'd notice also that there is next to no bass at all in the front right corner of the room "but bass is not directional......you cant hear where its coming from". maybe not but you can hear what parts of the room are trapping bass.

So, you move the sub around a bit. now you have masses of bass in the rear left corner, but non in the rear right and ill tell you right now you most certainly can hear that. you can liken it to putting on a pair of headphones and playing a 30hz tone out fo the left speaker only - you WILL hear it. Now, the human brain isnt stupid and actually does a decent job of telling you where a sound is being generated from because of room interaction even *if* its not possible to poinpint frequencies that low in a wide open space.


if you really dont believe me, just try it. its why my subwoofer is sitting dead center between my two front speakers, why its crossed over at 50hz, and why ive been able to extract an almost flat responce right down to 9hz from a sealed 15" subwoofer *in the listening position*
 
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what you mean by crossed over at 50hz, the sub can play as low as 33 or 35 if my memory of spec's serves me..

what does that feature do? you obviously go much more over the top than i would..

and if i try to say my point differently, i know where the bass is comming from, but its because i can feel it, rather than hear it obviously it depends on how lould it is, in films for example, when there is something on the rear speakers with a crash of bass etc.. it tricks me into thinking the bass originates from the rear..

obviously continuous bass etc will be obvious but to an extent it does work like that from time to time..

and to think all this when someone asked about sub placement:D hehe
 
rubbish? what the hell do i listen to? all sorts - everythign from metallica to mozart. i have my sub crossed over at 50hz for a reason and its not what i *think*, its what i hear. i didnt spend the time measuring everything with an spl meter and setting up real time equalistion through foobar if i wasnt so particular about the sound from my own stereo:)



that can be a cause, yes, but not the only cause. bass in the 100hz region might be very quiet in a particular song but its still directional enough to tell where its coming from. Running a sub too hot will affect the balance of everything coming out of it, obviously so yes, that will make it more obvious too but in the case of very low stuff, its not in a 'i can hear it from over there' way but a 'its louder than everything else' way.


There is one thing, the most important thing, that you should be aware of with a subwoofer and that is the way it interacts with the room. A lot of peopel will tell you bass is not not directional 'so it doesnt matter where you put the sub'. this is the single biggest misconception i think you'll find regarding subwoofers. Where you put a sub in a roo can completely change the the way it interacts with the room. Because of boundary gain, standing waves and everything else involved with a moving piston trying to generate sound waves, the frequency response can be dramatically changed by moving the speaker, or moving yourself. Try it - play some music, move your head around the room and you will hear the sound changes dramatically. the same will happen if you then move the sub but you stay in the same listening position. where i sit listning to my stereo, i have seen a change of over 15db at a particular frequency just by moving the subwoofer. 15db is a huge amount, if you consider that an increase of 3db requires double the input power, you should see what a difference it really makes. so you can see, as far as frequency responce goes, placement is critical.

Now, sound waves ARE directional whatever the frequency. they move in a straight direction away from the driver producing them. them being directional and what we can 'hear' as direction are two different things, but consider this:

imagine a subwoofer positioned off center in a room. a lot of people say a corner of the room is a great idea so we'll go with that - imagine a subwoofer in the front left corner of the room behind the front left speaker, this being a downward firing sub with a front firing port, just for example, with the port firing towards the rear left corner. you will hear without an doubt as i did with my setup like this in my old lounge, that there is a lot of bass in that rear left corner of the room and the rear right, but a null right in the middle of that wall, where i happend to sit. not ideal and a pain in the backside tbh. you'd notice also that there is next to no bass at all in the front right corner of the room "but bass is not directional......you cant hear where its coming from". maybe not but you can hear what parts of the room are trapping bass.

So, you move the sub around a bit. now you have masses of bass in the rear left corner, but non in the rear right and ill tell you right now you most certainly can hear that. you can liken it to putting on a pair of headphones and playing a 30hz tone out fo the left speaker only - you WILL hear it. Now, the human brain isnt stupid and actually does a decent job of telling you where a sound is being generated from because of room interaction even *if* its not possible to poinpint frequencies that low in a wide open space.


if you really dont believe me, just try it. its why my subwoofer is sitting dead center between my two front speakers, why its crossed over at 50hz, and why ive been able to extract an almost flat responce right down to 9hz from a sealed 15" subwoofer *in the listening position*

Very intresting read, and I agree with ypu 100% it does matter where the sub goes, lik I said in my prev post, moving the sub into the corner from the middle of the wall, improved the bass loads. Cos the bass filled up the room better and cos of this you cant tell where the bass is comming from and like my brain automatically thinks its comming from the speakers. But when I had the sub in the middle of the wall, below my front center speaker, you could tell were the sound was comming fron cos I needed the sub turned up a lot more to fill the room.

Is it only me but placing a sub behind you, below the rear left or right speakers sound rubbish, cos you can tell right away where the bass is comming from, and the speaker that the sub is by, sounds much loauder. I would have thought the sub would be better behind you, cos your brain isnt as good at pinpointing sound form behind, I guess thats why you only have 2 speakers behind you and 3 at the front??
 
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what you mean by crossed over at 50hz, the sub can play as low as 33 or 35 if my memory of spec's serves me..

what does that feature do? you obviously go much more over the top than i would..

you should know what a crossover is, surely lol. the crossover for my subwoofer is 50hz, so my sub plays everythign below it, my main speakers play everything above it. my subwoofer has a flat response (+/- 3db) from 50hz right down to 9hz measured from where i sit.

and if i try to say my point differently, i know where the bass is comming from, but its because i can feel it, rather than hear it obviously it depends on how lould it is, in films for example, when there is something on the rear speakers with a crash of bass etc.. it tricks me into thinking the bass originates from the rear..

yes, if there isnt sufficiant noise in the 60-120hz bass region to pinpoint it in the first place. your original question was regarding music and there is a lot more activity in that region with music, obviously.

Is it only me but placing a sub behind you, below the rear left or right speakers sound rubbish, cos you can tell right away where the bass is comming from, and the speaker that the sub is by, sounds much loauder. I would have thought the sub would be better behind you, cos your brain isnt as good at pinpointing sound form behind, I guess thats why you only have 2 speakers behind you and 3 at the front??

with the sub behind you, its not always as easy to take advantage of boundary gain. i believe what you are hearing is pretty much your subwoofer's near-field response. I said earlier that the sound can change by 15db (at around 30hz) or more just by moving the subwoofer or yourself - thats because of the interaction with the room. with it close behind you you arent making any use of that interaction and what you hear is what the sub would sound like in a field, or any open space. basically, it will be much less efficiant (quieter) below 40hz or so and what you are left with is a a very peaky sound from that 40hz or so to wherever the sub stops which is what makes it so obvious. if you stuck your head at the other end of the room, you'd probably find it sounded normal again and that low frequency rumble would be back.

oh, and remember in a 7.1 setup you'd have 4 speakers behind and 3 in front:)
 
I dont think my sub cuts out at a frequency cos I havent got bass redirection enabled on my soundcard. But surely the crossover must happen at high frequencies anyway even without the bass redirection enabled or it would sound rubbish??
 
If your source is sending full range, and your sub doesn't have a crossover, your sub will sound like a muffled speaker. You will be able to work out words, rather than just hearing low thuds.
 
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