Theres doing a bit over the limit and theres speeding/dangerous driving... if he really was doing 46mph into that section (which tbh I find hard to imagine but those crash investigators are usually pretty thorough) then it was very dangerous driving - I actually find it hard to believe he was doing that speed tho as usually the traffic/pedestrian situation in that area makes it almost impossible to get upto those kinda speeds there unless your driving like a complete and utter lunatic.
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Theres doing a bit over the limit and theres speeding/dangerous driving... if he really was doing 46mph into that section (which tbh I find hard to imagine but those crash investigators are usually pretty thorough) then it was very dangerous driving - I actually find it hard to believe he was doing that speed tho as usually the traffic/pedestrian situation in that area makes it almost impossible to get upto those kinda speeds there unless your driving like a complete and utter lunatic.
Despite the sensationalist nature of the article, all I can think is "Pillock doing 46 in a 30 hits pillock not looking where they're going".
I feel for the woman's family but i've seen enough moronic pedestrians to realise this probably could have been avoided from both sides. I expect the sentence reflected that as if he was totally at fault it would have been far far worse in terms of length.
I feel for the woman's family but i've seen enough moronic pedestrians to realise this probably could have been avoided from both sides. I expect the sentence reflected that as if he was totally at fault it would have been far far worse in terms of length.
Yeah nearly every car/bike driver has broken the speed limit at some point but I'd also like to believe that there are some situation where that would never ever be considered. I'll admit I have broken the speed limit but I would never do so in a built up area where pedestrians ARE likely to be morons...
I am going to stay out of this because it really riles me up, Jaywalking should be illegal!
Yes he may have been speeding but she paid the ultimate price for her stupidity, crossing a road on a red light, supposedly on her phone and headphones in, and he was 'apparently' sounding his horn just before the incident.
Yes its not nice someone died and the rider has gone to prison but I hate how the motorist is nearly always punished for how stupid some pedestrians can be, I have no doubt he would have gone to prison even if he had not been speeding.
The amount of times I have seen it when driving and riding in London people just walking out past stationary buses, what possess people to walk out into an open road without even checking nobody is coming past the bus is beyond me!
Yes he may have been speeding but she paid the ultimate price for her stupidity, crossing a road on a red light, supposedly on her phone and headphones in, and he was 'apparently' sounding his horn just before the incident.
Yes its not nice someone died and the rider has gone to prison but I hate how the motorist is nearly always punished for how stupid some pedestrians can be, I have no doubt he would have gone to prison even if he had not been speeding.
The amount of times I have seen it when driving and riding in London people just walking out past stationary buses, what possess people to walk out into an open road without even checking nobody is coming past the bus is beyond me!
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I wonder if he'd hit someone from another profession and not a criminal defence barrister the outcome would have been different...
That's the thing though. Every motorist should be aware of how stupid pedestrians can be and drive accordingly. Driving at 46mph in a 30mph zone with a high concentration of pedestrians is dangerous and the result has been the death of someone. According to the police he refused to slow down even when faced with pedestrians in the road so the sentence seems appropriate.
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Do you have a source for that statement? Just curious.
My understanding is that he was travelling in the region of 46MPH immediately before the point of impact. It is possible that he had scrubbed off some speed already, and was actualy travelling faster?
Personally, I think it is possible that the womans lack of responsibility as a pedestrian were probably mitigating circumstances which meant that he got a lower sentence than he could have.
Lets face it, he will probably be out in 12-18 months if he behaves himself.
As for brainless pedestrians - I agree its annoying, but surely the responsibility has to lean towards the person who is driving/riding something that can kill? If a mindless pedestrian walks into your stationary motorbike, not a lot is going to happen. If you ride/drive into a stationary pedestrian.......
Of course, if they jump in front of you and you simply cannot stop, even when doing the speed limit, and they get killed then thats their own fault. I suspect a Judge would see it the same way and I would doubt there would be a prison sentence. That said, after looking on google earth at how busy that road is and how many buses there are, I doubt I would be getting up to 30 anyways.
But the facts in this case are that he was speeding whilst pulling a (risky?) overtake. Whichever way you cut it, the pedestrian wasnt entirely blameless but the rider did a stupid thing and got caught out.
Yes I know most people speed and have done silly things before, but hopefully if this case serves to do nothing else it will make us all think twice because this is the possible outcome if things go wrong.
I always view pedestrians like children - A little bit stupid sometimes but still a vulnerable and precious life. Would he have been speeding outside a school at home time? Would any of you?
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Just checked, it's the same guy that created the thread that was removed.
The article annoys me a little as it clearly shows bias against the biker, and doesn't mention anything about the pedestrian crossing the road - was she crossing when she shouldn't have, was she on the phone etc.
Sorry, I never venture in here, will make a swift exit, thankyou!
The article annoys me a little as it clearly shows bias against the biker, and doesn't mention anything about the pedestrian crossing the road - was she crossing when she shouldn't have, was she on the phone etc.
Sorry, I never venture in here, will make a swift exit, thankyou!
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I'm such a noob, I must have missed that part on the first read through.
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"A number of witnesses to the collision were interviewed and many of them gave evidence in relation to the speed at which the motorbike was travelling"
Sorry but i find that hard to believe
My friends rvf with a very stubby pipe sounds like it's about to brake the sound barrier at 30mph.
So the point am making is They say he was speeding but i think they just heard the noise and thought that right away.
Sorry but i find that hard to believe
My friends rvf with a very stubby pipe sounds like it's about to brake the sound barrier at 30mph.
So the point am making is They say he was speeding but i think they just heard the noise and thought that right away.
It doesn't matter what "they" say tho does it, the only thing that matters is what evidence there is.
In this case they had road markings & CCTV of the entire incident, so his own actions caught on camera damned him, & the confused accounts presented by bystanders will have had virtually no impact on the out come.
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I can vouch for this. When my dad had a serious bike accident in 2004 the eye witness accounts were bordering on unbelievable. Some said he was going over 80MPH (in a 60 zone).
After the investigation it was concluded he was actually travelling at only 45MPH and the state of the road left by Farmer B!@*$%d was the likely cause of the accident but the rain had washed away most of the evidence by the time they could investigate properly.
Thankfully, the Police in this country dont just take anyone's word for anything when it comes to RTI's.