Long term CPU decision!

[Booternet]

Hello Guys,

Coming this Christmas im looking to do a new build as im feeling the age of my 3770k now, especially when doing multiple things with FH4 open at the same time the game will begin to stutter.

i am only on 1080p but will be switching to 1440p preferably 120hz.

My card is only a r9 380, but will be switching that to either a 1080ti or 2080 depending further reviews and cost to performance.

My current idea is as follows,

I either pick up an older 5th gen 5930k and overclock or go for an AMD setup more than likely a bundle from Overclockers, but not sure which would have the longest lifespan, or which would give the most performance in 1440p considering the games i would play would be the forza series mostly.

Money isn't a huge issue either as im getting a work back date end of November just in time to change everything.

I would just like people opinions on the two and which they would think would be more beneficial in the long run.

Many Thanks!

 

[blaineoliver]

Seems like you have three options.
5930k, which are £200 pre owned, seems like for not much more you could be on an upgradable AM4 platform.
Or
2700x bundle with fast ram
Or
9900k

When you consider you a 2700x is only 12% slower but 50% cheaper I know where my money would go.

 

[Rroff]

5930K isn't a drop in replacement for the 3770K BTW - not sure I'd spend money on the 2011-3 platform now unless you managed to acquire it very cheap. Future proof wise most Intel platforms are a dead end at the moment but there is no guarantee how long there is a useful upgrade path for AMD ones either - more often than not talk of future socket compatibility, etc. ends up being more theoretical than actually useful (i.e. you find that some boards have power limits that preclude them from using some of the newer CPUs, etc.).

I'm reluctant to spend my money Intel way at the moment until they've got CPUs out with new architectures that have fixes for some of the security flaws that have cropped up as well.

 

[Quartz]

OCUK have some cracking Ryzen bundles.

 

[Minstadave]

I'd take Ryzen over X99 any day. X99 boards are hard to come by, expensive and you really need quad channel RAM. X99 is also pretty power hungry compared to Ryzen

 

[Panos]

I either pick up an older 5th gen 5930k and overclock or go for an AMD setup more than likely a bundle from Overclockers, but not sure which would have the longest lifespan, or which would give the most performance in 1440p considering the games i would play would be the forza series mostly.

Money isn't a huge issue either as im getting a work back date end of November just in time to change everything.

I would just like people opinions on the two and which they would think would be more beneficial in the long run.

Many Thanks!

A 5930K @ 4.5Ghz is slower than the 2600X @ 4.3, while it consumes a hell of a lot power.
At this age is out of the question. Let alone it's price tag for used!!!!

 

[Rroff]

I'd take Ryzen over X99 any day. X99 boards are hard to come by, expensive and you really need quad channel RAM. X99 is also pretty power hungry compared to Ryzen

I kind of wish I'd jumped on the 5820K early in a way - the 2600/2700 are nice CPUs and all but they don't really distinguish themselves from these old 4000 series i7s (when overclocked) unless you are actually using a lot of threads and the latest Intels just look ridiculously poor value for money in comparison and still have all the potential hardware security issues unaddressed.

 

[Destination]

Seems like you have three options.
5930k, which are £200 pre owned, seems like for not much more you could be on an upgradable AM4 platform.
Or
2700x bundle with fast ram
Or
9900k

When you consider you a 2700x is only 12% slower but 50% cheaper I know where my money would go.

Just to point out, if he is moving to 1440p, then the difference will be much lower than 12%.
And yet it costs half the price and will be upgradable with rzyen3 next year.
Any intel system bought now will have absolutely no upgradability at all.

 

[Booternet]

Seems like you have three options.
5930k, which are £200 pre owned, seems like for not much more you could be on an upgradable AM4 platform.
Or
2700x bundle with fast ram
Or
9900k

When you consider you a 2700x is only 12% slower but 50% cheaper I know where my money would go.

5930K isn't a drop in replacement for the 3770K BTW - not sure I'd spend money on the 2011-3 platform now unless you managed to acquire it very cheap. Future proof wise most Intel platforms are a dead end at the moment but there is no guarantee how long there is a useful upgrade path for AMD ones either - more often than not talk of future socket compatibility, etc. ends up being more theoretical than actually useful (i.e. you find that some boards have power limits that preclude them from using some of the newer CPUs, etc.).

I'm reluctant to spend my money Intel way at the moment until they've got CPUs out with new architectures that have fixes for some of the security flaws that have cropped up as well.

I have heard that the AM4 Platform is getting another series thats able to be just dropped into existing boards which is brilliant news, i was actually looking at the 2700x bundle on overclockers and all be new parts, where as the intel side i would have to go 2nd hand, @blaineoliver how are your framerates in games on your setup? on 1080p on high i can get 60-70fps on FH4.

 

[Panos]

I have heard that the AM4 Platform is getting another series thats able to be just dropped into existing boards which is brilliant news, i was actually looking at the 2700x bundle on overclockers and all be new parts, where as the intel side i would have to go 2nd hand, @blaineoliver how are your framerates in games on your setup? on 1080p on high i can get 60-70fps on FH4.

Yes. Current AM4 boards will support the next 2 rounds of CPUs at least. (2019 & 2020).

 

[Booternet]

A 5930K @ 4.5Ghz is slower than the 2600X @ 4.3, while it consumes a hell of a lot power.
At this age is out of the question. Let alone it's price tag for used!!!!

Blimey didnt realise how times have changed now, considering the pricing the AMD setup is looking a lot better to go with, especially with upgrade paths available, as long as the 2700x bundle is available on overclockers come november im going to grab that.

 

[Rroff]

while it consumes a hell of a lot power.

7% more than the 2600X stock, 17% overclocked - I don't think most people will care about that in this context.

 

[Booternet]

Thank you all for your comments, looks like im going back to the red team. brilliant help from an amazing community as always!

 

[Rroff]

I have heard that the AM4 Platform is getting another series thats able to be just dropped into existing boards which is brilliant news

It is a future promise - people get a bit carried away with - over the years I've generally seen CPU upgrade paths become useless sooner rather than later. That said it is better than nothing which is what you get currently on the Intel side in terms of upgrade path.

 

[Panos]

7% more than the 2600X stock, 17% overclocked - I don't think most people will care about that in this context.

You do understand your post here is contradictory to posts against Vega in the Graphic cards section?

 

[Rroff]

You do understand your post here is contradictory to posts against Vega in the Graphic cards section?

Put it into perspective this is a 4 year old CPU that still hangs in with the 2600X while using slightly more power there is nothing contradictory about what I'm saying at all. Nothing like the scenario with Vega where it is AMD's newest release.

You might have a point if Intel had say released the 8700K today while it struggled to compete with the 2600X on performance while using 20+% more power.

 

[Minstadave]

I kind of wish I'd jumped on the 5820K early in a way - the 2600/2700 are nice CPUs and all but they don't really distinguish themselves from these old 4000 series i7s (when overclocked) unless you are actually using a lot of threads and the latest Intels just look ridiculously poor value for money in comparison and still have all the potential hardware security issues unaddressed.

5820K was a great platform to jump on at the start. I was late getting mine (almost two years ago) and it's been a good move. Only Threadripper really tempts me at the mo.

It's a total dead end now though. AM4 offers everything X99 does.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Hello Guys,

Coming this Christmas im looking to do a new build as im feeling the age of my 3770k now, especially when doing multiple things with FH4 open at the same time the game will begin to stutter.

i am only on 1080p but will be switching to 1440p preferably 120hz.

My card is only a r9 380, but will be switching that to either a 1080ti or 2080 depending further reviews and cost to performance.

My current idea is as follows,

I either pick up an older 5th gen 5930k and overclock or go for an AMD setup more than likely a bundle from Overclockers, but not sure which would have the longest lifespan, or which would give the most performance in 1440p considering the games i would play would be the forza series mostly.

Money isn't a huge issue either as im getting a work back date end of November just in time to change everything.

I would just like people opinions on the two and which they would think would be more beneficial in the long run.

Many Thanks!

This is my review of the Ryzen 5 2600 against my Xeon E3 1230 V2/Core i7 3770. I tested a few things,but the only game I tested is Fallout 4,which is easily one of the worst for Ryzen:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/cats-mini-itx-ryzen-5-review.18833557/

I also started to get more stutter in my modded Fallout 4 playthough once the latest Windows security patches were released,so it could be also an I/O issue to a degree. I have not overclocked the CPU and used the stock heatsink too,so if you overclocked the CPU and fiddled around with the memory to get tighter sub-timings the increases would be even larger.

It is a shame that the price of the CFL CPUs has become quite silly,as I was actually also considering a Core i7 8700 non-K and it wasn't worth it,so I went with the Ryzen 5 2600.

 

[blaineoliver]

I have heard that the AM4 Platform is getting another series thats able to be just dropped into existing boards which is brilliant news, i was actually looking at the 2700x bundle on overclockers and all be new parts, where as the intel side i would have to go 2nd hand, @blaineoliver how are your framerates in games on your setup? on 1080p on high i can get 60-70fps on FH4.

Sorry I don't have FH4. If you have another game.you want me to test I can do 1080p or 1440p or 4k on my RX580.

 

[easyrider]

As the 5 series intels can’t just be plopped into your current Mobo...then no point...

Ryzen 2700X all the way...

Only a cheeky plop in replacement on your current platform makes sense if the speed increase is there...but buying into a dead platform and needing a Mobo as well is madness !