Longer hours, shorter life

Tbf I work with a lot of folk like BUDFORCE. They can have a lot of potential but most of the time they excel in making everything seem worse than it is, and would much rather be benign than drive any change. They are often applauded when they leave as it frees a spot up for someone who wants to make a difference.

See: drifter.

If anything it emphasis the method for working out a paid salary is not always correct, or even the best method.

If you've got employee A and employee B doing pretty much the same work, but B can do it in half the time. Do you A) ask employee B to do more work - his hourly rate is the same as employee A but his productivity is essentially twice as much, causing unhappiness in employee B as they will feel like they're doing twice the work compared to their colleague, B) ask employee B to do more work, but pay them twice the amount (or X times the amount that they are productive over employee A), causing unhappiness in employee A as they will now feel that they're being underpaid. Or C) accept that employee B is quicker at their job than employee A and assuming no mistakes in their work etc, then you just accept that employee B will have a lot more downtime than employee A.

You couldn't even take the approach of paying them by the hour, as employee B would just slow down so he gets the same amount of money.
 
If anything it emphasis the method for working out a paid salary is not always correct, or even the best method.

If you've got employee A and employee B doing pretty much the same work, but B can do it in half the time. Do you A) ask employee B to do more work - his hourly rate is the same as employee A but his productivity is essentially twice as much, causing unhappiness in employee B as they will feel like they're doing twice the work compared to their colleague, B) ask employee B to do more work, but pay them twice the amount (or X times the amount that they are productive over employee A), causing unhappiness in employee A as they will now feel that they're being underpaid. Or C) accept that employee B is quicker at their job than employee A and assuming no mistakes in their work etc, then you just accept that employee B will have a lot more downtime than employee A.

You couldn't even take the approach of paying them by the hour, as employee B would just slow down so he gets the same amount of money.
The simple answer is the performance element of salaried pay. Both employee A and B can attain a performance element to the pay packet if they meet or exceed X or Y goals. It is a win-win-win as the business can avoid hiring employee C, both employee A and B can get paid more or chose to keen an even keel and do the bare minimum. Unfortunately humans in the work place are all too often "managed" (i.e. McDonalds model) rather than "lead". It all goes back to the school system of ticking boxes rather than thinking outside of the box.
 
Nice how the BBC managed to insert a racial element into an article about working hours. Just can't help themselves, can they.

That aside, this is really about stress, isn't it? And prolonged periods of stress and pressure.
probably more to do with lack of sleep = lower immune system and increased stress, = struggle to sleep
going round in a circle.

seen loads of people on forums asking if others take something to help them sleep... seems to becoming normal these days.


I bet driving for ubereats etc on a bicycle must play hell on your body.

bad hours are the most profitable hours... and constantly cycling all over, most of them don't seem to have electric bikes or scooters, probably let themselves get dehydrated etc and still aching from the previous days
 
The mortality rate for newly retired people is shockingly high, even amongst those who retire early.

A number of director/management level people where my dad works died within a relatively short time of retiring quite shocking. I was worried he'd keep putting off retirement indefinitely and never get to enjoy everything he'd work towards for retirement but this whole coronavirus situation has forced him into semi-retirement.
 
probably more to do with lack of sleep = lower immune system and increased stress, = struggle to sleep
going round in a circle.

seen loads of people on forums asking if others take something to help them sleep... seems to becoming normal these days.


I bet driving for ubereats etc on a bicycle must play hell on your body.

bad hours are the most profitable hours... and constantly cycling all over, most of them don't seem to have electric bikes or scooters, probably let themselves get dehydrated etc and still aching from the previous days
I think you're describing exercise there.
 
That aside, this is really about stress, isn't it? And prolonged periods of stress and pressure.

Think its got to be more complex than just long hours.

It's a bit of both I think. At my previous employer, I was one of 4 part-time admins (30 hours per week) who all had the same hours and job spec. 30 days annual leave plus 8 BH, out of the office by 15:30, lots of cakes and other treats, finish early on Christmas Eve and NYE, good pension, full sick pay for 6 months. So I'm talking pretty cushy jobs here. 3 of us all got on fine, but the 1 person was an under-performer and we had to pick up the slack. She would go off on stress at least once a year, 4 weeks off then another 4 weeks phased return. At the same time however, she was never shy about going on a cruise every year as she wasn't the breadwinner, and so her job wasn't important to her like it was to us 3 mere mortals.

So yes, that's stress for you, whether your hours are 55+, 40 or just 30.
 
The mortality rate for newly retired people is shockingly high, even amongst those who retire early.
Probably because by the time they finally decide to retire it's too late. Nobody is going to wish they had worked harder/longer on their deathbed.
Considering the way the retirement age is going up and up a lot of people won't make it.
I have a physical job, no way I could do it in my late 60's so anyone that doesn't make provisions to give them options as they get older is screwed.
 
I'm pleased that my employers do value a decent work/life balance. At my last place it was seen as some sort of badge of honour to arrive be an hour early and start work straight away, work through your lunch and have a sandwich at your desk, and work on after your finishing time for an hour or two.

My boss used to have the evening cleaners waiting around for her to finish so they could clean!
 
The mortality rate for newly retired people is shockingly high, even amongst those who retire early.

Probably because by the time they finally decide to retire it's too late. Nobody is going to wish they had worked harder/longer on their deathbed.
Considering the way the retirement age is going up and up a lot of people won't make it.
I have a physical job, no way I could do it in my late 60's so anyone that doesn't make provisions to give them options as they get older is screwed.

I think a potential factor is how much of an individual's identity is tied up with their job. If you've been living the job for 40 years and always introduce yourself as a (insert profession here) then the impact of no longer having that identity, network and reason to get up in the morning can hit some people hard.
 
I think a potential factor is how much of an individual's identity is tied up with their job. If you've been living the job for 40 years and always introduce yourself as a (insert profession here) then the impact of no longer having that identity, network and reason to get up in the morning can hit some people hard.
Very good point imo.
 
I think a potential factor is how much of an individual's identity is tied up with their job. If you've been living the job for 40 years and always introduce yourself as a (insert profession here) then the impact of no longer having that identity, network and reason to get up in the morning can hit some people hard.
Which is incredibly sad.
 
60-80 hour average week. Retire, at 50 (hopefully). swings and roundabouts, work hard now to play hard later.
 
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