Longevity Burn-In Investigative Paths After 3 Months QD-OLED vs. WOLED, LG vs. Sony, And More

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Longevity Burn-In Investigative Paths After 3 Months​

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QD-OLED vs. WOLED, LG vs. Sony, And More​

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Longevity Burn-In Investigative Paths After 3 Months: QD-OLED vs. WOLED, LG vs. Sony, And More

Our accelerated longevity test has been running for over three months, and we've already encountered some very interesting results. We've already had three partial TV failures and one complete failure, which wasn't expected this early in the test.
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Never mind the burn in results. Seems that even when the panels are all made by LG Display like their Sony and LG TVs, they vary quite a bit: not obvious things like the mainboard, PSU and so on but even the glass.

And so far it seems that LG the TV manufacturer seems to know how to properly use LG Display panels better than Sony - their pet theory ATM being that LG TVs run the compensation cycle (which appears to be designed to minimise burn-in) as soon as they go into standby while Sony needs a 4+ hours of standby before running it. Maybe Sony can do a firmware update, although Rtings's 23/1 (on/off) might not be that realistic.

Although they also took an LG TV and ran it so it too only got as few cycles as the Sony and the LG still didn't have the same retention, so that stopped their pet theory on it's tracks. They are now asking for anyone who has other ideas to comment.
 
Cyber-Mav said:
id never get an oled unless they sort out the screen burn issue. va panels are my preference.
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I don't think it will ever be sorted. Manufacturers and retailers not taking accountability and messing you around is shameful.

OLED is a just a stop-gap that will get replaced by better technologies such as micro-leds and until that happens mini-leds are more than enough for me.
 
My 2017 LG e7 still got no signs of image retention and my aw qd-oled (had since launch too) still no signs either. Both are heavily used throughout the day, hdr gaming with huds and so on.

It "may" happen at some point but it's a risk I am willing to take in order to get a superior image in every single other way when compared to what is currently on the market not to mention, chances are, you most likely wouldn't notice it outside of these all red etc. slides unless it is really bad (which means you would have had to be stupid i.e. sky news on 24/7, brightness whacked past the recommended brightness, not varying your content or/and not letting pixel refresh maintenance run [more common than not due to people turning of by the mains :o])
 
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OLED imo is too stunning to miss out on, every person that has ever entered my house and not experienced OLED before is genuinely blown away by my TV and that was a 'cheap' LG B9 set that I bought years ago, OLED may be a "stop gap" but that stop gap may be 20 years or more, especially when you consider it's already been nearly 10 years since LG first released their 55inch HDR 4K OLEd TV, again, ten years ago!

How long do you want to wait?, I think people put off things for too long sometimes, for example, you could've been 30 years old when LG first released their OLED TV, you 40 now, you going to wait potentially another 10 years until maybe a full proof display tech becomes mainstream?, you'll be 50 years old by then!, for the last 20 years you could've been enjoying the most stunning quality display available on the market, and it's probably something you look at and interact with for hours at a time every day, 20 years of your life with subpar display quality? you got a live a little and enjoy what's out there before two decades of your life pass you by, we're only here once.
 
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I think it all comes down to the individual use case and selecting the most appropriate option. If you primarily play games OLED is unmatched and easily worth the investment. However, I'd never use an OLED monitor when working with bright white static elements such as web browsing, excel etc.

I just tried my first VA and was impressed with the contrast. The motion isn't the best and whatever you buy involves sacrifices right now.
 
My first oled will be 8 years old this year. 0 burn in. From a tv perspective, only newer oled has better pq + it has 3d which is great with the tech.
 
There’s a home cinema board. :confused:

I’m not concerned about burn in for TVs. Would be much more wary for PC use, in terms of having the desktop / taskbar always on.
 
Stu999 said:
There’s a home cinema board. :confused:

I’m not concerned about burn in for TVs. Would be much more wary for PC use, in terms of having the desktop / taskbar always on.
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My tv was used as a monitor, and 3d glasses on this for tomb raider stereoscopic is amazing. Considering LG have started to release 27 inch monitors with the same tech, I think it is useful to add my experience around burn in.
 
Things change I've changed said:
OLED imo is too stunning to miss out on, every person that has ever entered my house and not experienced OLED before is genuinely blown away by my TV and that was a 'cheap' LG B9 set that I bought years ago, OLED may be a "stop gap" but that stop gap may be 20 years or more, especially when you consider it's already been nearly 10 years since LG first released their 55inch HDR 4K OLEd TV, again, ten years ago!

How long do you want to wait?, I think people put off things for too long sometimes, for example, you could've been 30 years old when LG first released their OLED TV, you 40 now, you going to wait potentially another 10 years until maybe a full proof display tech becomes mainstream?, you'll be 50 years old by then!, for the last 20 years you could've been enjoying the most stunning quality display available on the market, and it's probably something you look at and interact with for hours at a time every day, 20 years of your life with subpar display quality? you got a live a little and enjoy what's out there before two decades of your life pass you by, we're only here once.
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Well said! Out of the many purchases I've made, OLED has been by far the biggest upgrade one can make to getting a better experience in a number of ways.

It's like when it comes to amd and "features", nvidia have the head start and people bang on about having an "open standard" and supporting it instead, good for them, I want to have a good experience now, not in a year or 2 or 3 or even several years after I have played and completed all the games in that time span..... or better yet, never getting said feature, it's why I have no morals/principles when it comes to companies and tech now, whoever provides me the best experience for my needs/wants will get my money, simple as that.

LCD should have died a long time ago but instead monitor manufacturers have been milking customers for yonks, imagine paying £1+k for a lcd based display now :o
 
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LG has definitely taken the lead in burn in prevention and apparently image quality as well - major film studios have been switching from Sony monitors to LG OLED TVs to master their movies on - Disney studios just purchased thousands of LG G2 TVs to master their movies on, not only do the OLED TVs offer excellent image quality but the price is so much lower as Sony reference monitors cost $30k each compared to $3k for a LG G2
 
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I rather expect it is only because LG gave them a better deal and is nothing about picture quality as a G2 cannot be compared to a reference tv. I'm also assuming they also haven't heard about the LG OLED panel lottery with the G2's..
 
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Stu999 said:
There’s a home cinema board. :confused:

I’m not concerned about burn in for TVs. Would be much more wary for PC use, in terms of having the desktop / taskbar always on.
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My TV is used primarily for gaming ;)

Also this is now an important topic for PC monitors as OLED looks soon to become the mainstream for gaming monitors soon.
 
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Things change I've changed said:
OLED imo is too stunning to miss out on, every person that has ever entered my house and not experienced OLED before is genuinely blown away by my TV and that was a 'cheap' LG B9 set that I bought years ago, OLED may be a "stop gap" but that stop gap may be 20 years or more, especially when you consider it's already been nearly 10 years since LG first released their 55inch HDR 4K OLEd TV, again, ten years ago!

How long do you want to wait?, I think people put off things for too long sometimes, for example, you could've been 30 years old when LG first released their OLED TV, you 40 now, you going to wait potentially another 10 years until maybe a full proof display tech becomes mainstream?, you'll be 50 years old by then!, for the last 20 years you could've been enjoying the most stunning quality display available on the market, and it's probably something you look at and interact with for hours at a time every day, 20 years of your life with subpar display quality? you got a live a little and enjoy what's out there before two decades of your life pass you by, we're only here once.
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Maybe these people have never seen a good TV before? LEDs definitely look better in my bright living room and I can enjoy content without having to turn it into an unhealthy batcave.

Oleds are just not bright enough for me as they fall off a cliff the moment any bright object big enough to make an impact appears on a scene.
 
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Maybe these people have never seen a good TV before? LEDs definitely look better in my bright living room and I can enjoy content without having to turn it into an unhealthy batcave.

Oleds are just not bright enough for me as they fall off a cliff the moment any bright object big enough to make an impact appears on a scene.
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How bright of a room are we talking about here? Every time I hear/see comments about brightness being the best thing, I just assume peoples rooms are super bright i.e. white walls, lots of windows with blinds/curtains open and tv not setup/angled appropriately to avoid direct light and bright over head lighting, which if so, valid enough point but if going by room/desk setups on the threads here and over on battlestations reddit, I think most people have their lighting quite dim in the lounge/pc area especially when watching content/playing games, even with the true blacks oled provides, very few oled owners actually view their display in a blacked out room too and the contrast ratio as well as true blacks is still immediately noticeable in dim/appropriate level lighting.
 
NZXT30 said:
Maybe these people have never seen a good TV before? LEDs definitely look better in my bright living room and I can enjoy content without having to turn it into an unhealthy batcave.

Oleds are just not bright enough for me as they fall off a cliff the moment any bright object big enough to make an impact appears on a scene.
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Ironically the PSVR2 VR headset is currently both the only OLED headset on the market but it's also the brightest by a significant margin
 
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...it's already been nearly 10 years since LG first released their 55inch HDR 4K OLEd TV, again, ten years ago!
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You forgot the parts swept under the carpet by marketing:

10 years and LG still can't make monitor size 4K panel!
10 years and colour gamut still can't cover AdobeRGB and DCI-P3, or even just the latter...
Only truly wide gamut LG OLED products use panels made by JOLED. (though neither are LG's LCDs anything but average in gamut)

And then that white subpixel, needed for avoiding very low brightness, further clamps colours gamut at higher brightness.
Also making fine rendering of text and any such line graphics mess compared to even 20 years old tech LCD.
(something what high enough pixel density could mitigate...)

In its current state OLED is left foot one step forward, right foot one step backwards tech.
 
I went and had a look at some OLED TV & MINI LEDs last week. To my eyes the new MINI LEDs were really good with very little difference between the OLEDs (John Lewis & Currys stock).

My next monitor could be a Mini LED based one with 500+ diming zones. I'd have ocd over burn in if I went OLED for my next monitor.
But if youve not seen the newer MINI LED TVs & Monitors take a look at them in person.
 
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