Looking for a better motor, Advice?

Steering is by far the biggest weakness, I find it to be sloppy, uncommunicative and lacking the sharp response that I'm used to. I've thrown money at it hand over fist trying to remedy it, improved on it a fair bit but still not up to scratch.

Never had that issue in either my E36s, both were precise and gave great feedback.

Engine is good but the restrictive inlet manifold makes it lose torque dramatically at high rpm, very strong in the mid range and nice throttle response as you'd expect from an NA motor.

Orly?

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My graph on a stock 1995 e36 328i says otherwise.

RWD, this is why I bought it, I love a bit of skidding and this was cheaper than the S15 I really wanted by a large margin. Only the pre facelift (Sport model) ones had an LSD, make sure you get one of these as the open diff model with an electronic nanny sucks massive balls. I suppose if you have no intention of doing any fun skids in it then it would be fine.

Actually no. Late models also came with LSDs. The prefacelift 328i is the 325i, the facelift came in 1995 and the 325i was dropped and the 328i came in instead. The Sport models from 95-98/99 came either with traction control or LSD, depends on what was specced.
The non Sport models in early form came with neither an LSD or traction control. TC came in around 97 on e36s and was not bad at all.
Without TC my 328i was capable of kicking out the back and holding a slide. With TC my 318iS (only 140bhp) was capable of kicking the back out, sliding and correcting via power drop. Without TC the 318iS would kick out and hold slides despite the lack of an LSD.
I found the 318iS was actually better to slide than the 328i (this may be down to confidence though).


Suspension wise, Sport model came with Bilstein B8, I would assume this is firmer and better than the B4, they had Nurburgring stickers all over them so I guess they are the sporty models. I had these with Apex springs on and it felt like an american car, soft and wallowy. I can only assume the dampers were worn out, but anyway the springs were no good IMO, however there would be no problem with ride comfort at all.
I chose to ditch the **** suspension and put HSD HR coilovers on, even on quite a hard setting, with solid rubber bushings and solid top mounts, the ride isn't bad at all and it's still plenty compliant enough to go full throttle on a bumpy road.

At 14 years old being the newest e36, the stock suspension will be past it, I know it was on my 1998 318iS.

You mention it sounds muted, is you exhaust flap working? The tailpipe closest to the centre of the car has a valve in it which will open up at wide throttle openings after 2.5k or so, the backbox becomes straight through, with this open and the VANOS coming in at 3k it really makes a fair bit of noise. Check that it works, it should be open when the engine is off, and close shortly after starting up.

Incorrect. Have you seen the internals of the 328i backbox?

I currently can't find an image but I know it is on e36coupe.com

The box is a maze of pipework for both tailpipes.


To the guy who said don't buy a Sport, don't listen to that guy. The sport gets the lower, Bilstein suspension as I mentioned, you get the M3 body kit (definitely want this, standard looks pony), Sport seats standard, nice black headlining

I agree with this though, the Sport is the one to have unless you know your way around the cars and can/want to retrofit parts.
 
You just proved yourself wrong with that dyno plot. The engine revs to 6500 but is dead after 5000. With an M50B25 manifold on it, it pulls hard all the way to the limiter, totally different character.

The steering thing I'm not wrong about, driven a few of these and they are all the same, even ones with brand new wishbones, poly bushes and coilovers.

I'm not wrong about the LSD, my 328i is pre-facelift so they do exist and these are the ones with LSD. I think you will find there are no facelift models with LSD, all had ASC.
I've driven the ASC model and it is pony, only way to drift it is to go in fast, use weight transfer and pray. No good for a cheeky roundabout skid.
 
You just proved yourself wrong with that dyno plot. The engine revs to 6500 but is dead after 5000. With an M50B25 manifold on it, it pulls hard all the way to the limiter, totally different character.

Most cars level off on torque and power high up in the rev range so it's pretty much a standard thing. The way you described, there would be a massive drop in torque.

I'm not wrong about the LSD, my 328i is pre-facelift so they do exist and these are the ones with LSD. I think you will find there are no facelift models with LSD, all had ASC.

You're wrong. E36 was facelifted in 1995, which is the correct facelift. This is when they changed the engines from the 2.5 to the 2.8 and the 318iS engines too, along with looks.
In ~1997 they revised the cars to have LSD or ASC, you can get 98/99 cars with LSD and no ASC.


I've driven the ASC model and it is pony, only way to drift it is to go in fast, use weight transfer and pray. No good for a cheeky roundabout skid.

Well you aren't that good at unsticking the rears then. As I say I easily unstuck sticky rubber on the 318iS at low speeds whenever I fancied, ASC on or not.


[TW]Fox;21652645 said:
This just in: cars that can't drift on public roads are pony.

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? :D
 
You could get a cracking MG ZS or ZT for 2k. Great cars to drive if you can get past the Roverness. Cheap to run as well which I would prioritise as a student.
 
Fiesta ST? Nippy, not too stiff, lots of fun, looks great, lot bigger inside than some would think, very cheap to buy and run. (be cheaper to run than a e36 anyway)

Doesn't relate to a Beemer in any way, but at least u don't have to worry about coming back to the car to find someone has chucked a mattress on top of it, skip on wheels :p ... But this is coming from someone who doesn't like e36 bmws at all.
 
tbh whats the point? surely it eats tyres. If I use my gti-6s SICK cornering abilities to any amount it starts to say bye bye to sidewalls on any decent tyre and im not breaking traction. So purposely spinning the tyres whiole cornering surely eats the tyres dead. I only use michelins so its not terrible tyres at fault, although I do need a suspension refresh (Bought all the trick bits just need to book time off to put them on.)
 
As they're so much newer and a Ford for repair costs then it certainly wouldn't be a bad idea for the OP to consider something like the Fiesta ST. Doesn't seem to be the kind of thing he's looking for though.

There's something quite pleasurable about driving a skip on wheels though :p
 
Another vote for something like the Fiesta ST.

I wouldn't get the ST220 if you're looking for fun. MPG around town is more like 19-21.
 
[TW]Fox;21654228 said:
For somebody who has only ever owned a 1.3 Fiesta? Heck a milk float would offer a performance upgrade to one of those.

My thoughts exactly...I went from driving around in a 1.0l Ibiza to a 1.6 Fiesta Zetec-S and it felt like a rocket ship! The 2.0l car will feel like warp speed compared to the 1.3 Fiesta!
 
My thoughts exactly...I went from driving around in a 1.0l Ibiza to a 1.6 Fiesta Zetec-S and it felt like a rocket ship! The 2.0l car will feel like warp speed compared to the 1.3 Fiesta!

This combined with the fact he only works part time at Uni means that really 90% of the cars in this thread are masisvely OTT and not even needed.

The guy could buy a 2 litre Focus, run it comfortable and think he's driving a rocketship after the 54bhp Fiesta he has now.

There is simply no need to buy a millstone to hang around your neck, which is exactly what a performance car is when you are at Uni working 2 days a week.
 
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