Looking for a case to handle heat output of Pnetium D 830

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OK all those Case Experts out there have a long read...

Looking for a Tower Case to replace my exisiting Silverstone Sugo so I can help cool down my CPU/System, want to use this hardware, Pentium D 830 "130WATT!!!", 2* Crucial Ballistic DDR2 667 Dimms.., 3 * Hard Drives, 2 Optical Drives, floppy, Audigy 2 ZS, Terratec TV Tuner, Radeon X1800XT fitted with VF900, Tagan 480W Modular PSU, MATX Motherboard.

Basically looking for a tower case to fit this all in, wouldn't mind if it had 2 extra 5 1/4 bays and an extra floppy bay..., must have front case fan to cool hard drives, top exhaust fan and rear exhaust fan as well as Expansion card cooling and Side CPU Air Intake vent, this is what is recommended by Intel to cool a CPU of this type...

I prefer all 120MM fans, as long as there are mounts I can buy my own fans to put in there....so far I have looked at loads of cases and reviews, both cheap cases and high end cases from Silverstone, Coolermaster, Lian Li, Gigabyte, Asus, Thermaltake, Enermax, Antec..but seems that only a few of them meet up with the intel Case requirements.

The Antec P180 has been tested by Intel and it was not capable of handling the heat output of a 130Watt CPU, mostly cause of the fact of no Side Air Intake vent, so there was no way of getting cold air into the case so the cpu fan could use to cool down the heatsink, instead the only intake fan was the front one, and like most cases, the air from it passes over the hard drives becomes warm and basically all the CPU fan is doing is recyling warm air around the case/cpu, which is not a good thing..

Seems like the only cases with side air vent are the cheap ones under £50 form the likes of EZ Cool, Asus and Enermax.., The CPU Air vent is useful if using a Stock Intel cooler or one with Verical mounted fan as it can pull cold air in, but those with Horizontal mounted fans like the Zalman 9500AT can not use this CPU air vent, so really need a case with a 120MM blowhole cut in the side of the case where the memory is located, this way cold air can be pulled in via a fan and then used by the CPU cooler...pretty logical huh?

Why maunfacturers like Antec/Silverstone/Lian Li don't think like this is beyond me.., Side Air Vents is a must for an Intel Based System...so far the only case which has this airvent over the memory card is the Alpine EZ Cool range or the Coolermaster Stacker 830...the Gigabyte Aurora has a side air vent but does not have it over the memory card slot, nor does it have a top exhaust fan, the Lian Li V1000 does not have either, just the rear intake fan, ...so what other case is there..?,


The Stacker 830 seems like the only case to suit my needs just a shame the price is so high, I like the Alpine, but it looks cheaply built and does not stand steady, but the Coolemaster 830 is rock steady and Strong....so anyone have any thoughts, is the Stacker 830 the best case to go for thermal performance wise?...

I plan on putting a top exhaust fan in, it already has front and rear exhaust fans, i plan on putting three fans in the side, one over the cpu, one over the expansion cards and one over the memory...that way the CPU will get enough cool air to to cool down the heatsink and the 120MM exhuast fan and PSU fan/Top Fan should be sufficient enough the exhuast the warm air...

Think the Zalman 9500AT should do a great job at drawing the heat from the CPU..so all in all should be a cool running system.., anyway give me your thoughts...oh and for all those who favour the Antec P180, just remember it has no way of getting cool air into the case for the CPU to use and is not fit enough to Handle a Dual Core CPU as tested by Intel.

Also note the Antec has a pretty flims front Panel, seen it in person..the Stacker 830 has a really strong front Bezel..It's rock solid...so that P180 vs..Stakcer 830 thread is just a Joke, the Stacker will own it, you can't have a Quiet and Cool case..well not for a Dual Core System..
 
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Ok im usually quite good with lack of punctuation, but could you please put some paragraphs in that, I can't read it. :(

Sorry.

Ok I see stacker 830 in there, don't buy it its rubbish.

Best cooling case out is the Akasa Eclipse 62.

Most I can guage from your post, its impossible to read sorry!

The P180 v Stacker thread is not a joke, the issues with the Stacker are not on the front bezel, you can not attribute the whole cases build quality to one component, or Silverstones would be the best built cases in the world, they have the best feet.
 
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May I be the first to introduce you to the Return key, it's the big one with an arrow with a right angle in it.

Either that or rectangular enter key to the bottom right of your numpad.
 
well sorry about the no paragraphs, can't blame me, wrote it in wordpad then pasted it...and sorry abotu the Typo's, I have good spelling/gramar, just that my fingers hit some keys before others...
 
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I have had enough as I felt I was not being listened to so if anyone else wants to try and voice an opinion on the matter feel free, meansizzler obviously does not think I have adequate experience of cases to say what can be cooled in cases I own. :)

Wont post up the MSN convo as that would be a bit harsh. Good luck finding a case meansizzler.

/backs out of thread.
 
Re: OP

I think you've over-analyzed some reviews and got the wrong end of the stick. Simple cooling solutions are not as bad as you think. You do not need a 120mm fan in every nook and cranny of a case.

Don't get carried away thinking that side case fans etc are a must or your pc will melt without it. Read the opinions on this forum of people who have actually bought said cases and you'll find most if not all have adequate cooling and a fair number have great cooling without the need for elaborate cooling designs or a large number of fans.
 
Ok mate see what your saying with side fan, but they really don't help with your cpu as any air drawen is just going to mess with the airflow.

A graphics card blowhole is a good idea as the air flowing in from the front will rise meaning that most air will not pass over the graphics card.

Why do you think most big case companies(that have been at this for many years do this then mate), the flow from two 120mm fans front and rear would be perfect for what you need as long as you have a good hsf and decent fans.
 
Come , come Ewen.

Ok I see stacker 830 in there, don't buy it its rubbish.

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Over priced, poorly designed and just adequately engineered yes. But rubbish is a trifle hard. I've dumped the completely redundant front door on mine and it does what Coolermaster claims. It may be ugly but having the power, reset and USB ports at the top. literally to hand is nice. Would I recommend it? No.
 
a p180 would quite easily handle the heat output of a pentium d 830. For aircooling the p180 is one of the better cases when set up properly, you have two 120mm exhausts right next to the cpu area.

side air vents don't neccesarily make a case cooler, but they definately make it noisier.
 
Leporello said:
Ok I see stacker 830 in there, don't buy it its rubbish.

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Over priced, poorly designed and just adequately engineered yes. But rubbish is a trifle hard. I've dumped the completely redundant front door on mine and it does what Coolermaster claims. It may be ugly but having the power, reset and USB ports at the top. literally to hand is nice. Would I recommend it? No.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, it is not *that* bad, but when you compare it to what else is available for the money, its a pain.

One of the features I would have liked the S80 to have had is a top power button, but then you could not lock them behind a door. Lose lose situation.
 
meansizzler said:
Why maunfacturers like Antec/Silverstone/Lian Li don't think like this is beyond me.., Side Air Vents is a must for an Intel Based System...

I disagree, but if you need one, the Akasa Eclipse can be fitted with such a panel fan. What you actually want is a good CPU cooler like an AC Freezer 7 Pro. If you use that you won't be able to fit the fan chimney so don't worry about the Intel case specs. They only matter if you are using Intel's quite poor stock cooler.

meansizzler said:
so anyone have any thoughts, is the Stacker 830 the best case to go for thermal performance wise?...

No. The Akasa Eclipse or Mirage are the cool-running kings.

meansizzler said:
I plan on putting a top exhaust fan in, it already has front and rear exhaust fans, i plan on putting three fans in the side, one over the cpu, one over the expansion cards and one over the memory...that way the CPU will get enough cool air to to cool down the heatsink and the 120MM exhuast fan and PSU fan/Top Fan should be sufficient enough the exhuast the warm air...

The problem isn't changing the air over the cooler, it's carrying the heat from the CPU to the air around it. The stock Intel cooler is a good design for what it costs (very little), but a few pounds more you can have a significantly better CPU cooler. The AC Freezer Pro will run your chip upto 15C cooler than the stock CPU cooler. I've been running 840EE with these coolers in Akasa Eclipse's with no problems running 100% both cores and HT (4 threads of Folding@Home) and they run at about 65C stable with no throttling.

meansizzler said:
Think the Zalman 9500AT should do a great job at drawing the heat from the CPU..so all in all should be a cool running system.., anyway give me your thoughts...oh and for all those who favour the Antec P180, just remember it has no way of getting cool air into the case for the CPU to use and is not fit enough to Handle a Dual Core CPU as tested by Intel.

Intel only test with the stock cooler. As with the AC Freezer 7 Pro, the Zalman 9500AT is too tall to allow you to use the Intel spec fan chimney.

meansizzler said:
Also note the Antec has a pretty flims front Panel, seen it in person..the Stacker 830 has a really strong front Bezel..It's rock solid...so that P180 vs..Stakcer 830 thread is just a Joke, the Stacker will own it, you can't have a Quiet and Cool case..well not for a Dual Core System..

Again, I disagree. Akasa Eclipse with 2 Akasa 120mm Ambers and an AC Freezer 7 Pro will run cool and quiet.
 
WJA96 said:
I've been running 840EE with these coolers in Akasa Eclipse's with no problems running 100% both cores and HT (4 threads of Folding@Home) and they run at about 65C stable with no throttling.

Wow seems kinda toasty, not far off my 74 Degrees with my 830 in a Sugo with Passive Nt06 Heatsink..I'm hoping for under 60's...
 
It's a full 9C cooler, or 12%, which, as Yewen has already pointed out is a huge difference considering the fact that mine is running at 3.9GHz and yours is running at 3.0GHz (you don't state you're overclocking it. so as far as I can tell you're not).

And if you're getting 74C in a small volume case with 100% CPU utilization AND you're using the NT06 in passive mode with no fan AND you're getting no throttling, then I'd leave it to be honest as it's not an excessive temperature. The CPU itself will throttle if it's in danger of damaging itself by over-heating. If it's not throttling (and it shouldn't at 74C) then what's the problem?
 
WJA96 said:
It's a full 9C cooler, or 12%, which, as Yewen has already pointed out is a huge difference considering the fact that mine is running at 3.9GHz and yours is running at 3.0GHz (you don't state you're overclocking it. so as far as I can tell you're not).

And if you're getting 74C in a small volume case with 100% CPU utilization AND you're using the NT06 in passive mode with no fan AND you're getting no throttling, then I'd leave it to be honest as it's not an excessive temperature. The CPU itself will throttle if it's in danger of damaging itself by over-heating. If it's not throttling (and it shouldn't at 74C) then what's the problem?

THrottling?. anyway my PSU gets really hot, if I put my hand at the back of it or top of the case you can't touch it for more than a few seconds without burning your hand...need to cool it down, an Ice pakc on top of it works but will prolly leak after a while...
 
Imy said:
How about you get a heatsink that will fit a fan in the space you got - or is that idea too crazy? :D

which one?, 78MM MAX height of the CPU Cooler, care to fine me one?, best I was hoping for was the Asus VR but to tall to fit, the Zalman CNPS800 will fit but then i have to get a new PSU one withotu a fan on the bottom, already been through to many combinations unless your paying?...and what chance I will get decent temps?..
 
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