Looking to get into full-frame...

2Thumbs · 8 Sep 2011 at 12:10

And I did the same with a Tokina 11-16mm lol. That was 0% over 6 months though.

divuk83 · 8 Sep 2011 at 21:44

If you're interested in a 5d mark 1, Dale Photographic have one for sale at £795.

Dave

Mr Jones · 8 Sep 2011 at 21:50

Shocking price if it's second hand.

divuk83 · 8 Sep 2011 at 21:56

Is it low or high? It does come with a battery grip too. I know next to nothing about Canons as I'm more of a Nikon man myself, just thought I would mention it to the op.

Dave

Raymond Lin · 8 Sep 2011 at 22:02

High.

Rojin · 8 Sep 2011 at 23:04

They have been around this price for a while. MPB have two without grip at £705... You do get the odd bargain (old normal price!) here and there though.

BusError · 8 Sep 2011 at 23:22

I was watching two on ebeeeeeep last week-end, and they finished at 696+15 and 645+10...

jonneymendoza · 9 Sep 2011 at 07:38

The 5dmk2 is a waste for my needs with its terrible AF thats comparible to my 400d. i will wait till canon sort themselves out and bring out a d700 replica. im hoping 5dmk3 will be that ie fast accurate AF like d700/7d and in FF

Rojin · 9 Sep 2011 at 07:52

The centre point and also with servo tracking (assist points enabled) is a lot better than the 400D.

BusError · 9 Sep 2011 at 08:05

I find it quite funny to see people saying the 5DMkII is a "waste" while it has a better AF than many generations of cameras before itself. And /these/ cameras nobody ever complained about non-functional AF, at all.

Just because it doesn't have has many gizmos as some others doesn't mean it doesn't work; for one thing, many photographers (like me) never use the "other" AF points. When I use AF, I only use the central one and recompose anyway. It's not like that camera was designed for shooting sports after all.
And it's not like the other points don't work either, they might not work /as good/ as the central one, and only in some conditions.

neil_g · 9 Sep 2011 at 09:02

whats wrong with the 5dmk2 AF? ive used it for equestrian comps, didnt break a sweat.

i was reading a US based drag racing blog a little while ago and they used a mk2 also if i remember rightly.

sure its no 1d AF system but it really isnt that bad..

bigredshark · 9 Sep 2011 at 10:14

neil_g said:
whats wrong with the 5dmk2 AF? ive used it for equestrian comps, didnt break a sweat.

i was reading a US based drag racing blog a little while ago and they used a mk2 also if i remember rightly.

sure its no 1d AF system but it really isnt that bad..

In comparison to the competition it's pretty bad, it's at best on a par with my old D200s and no match for any modern Nikon body. It's most apparent in low light where it hunts loads unless used with really fast glass and it's never at it's best with low contrast targets. Added to that having 9 AF point necessarily means it doesn't cover as much of the frame as newer systems.

If you use a 5D/5DII solely (as it's the same system after all going back 6 years now) then you'd likely be happy enough with it not knowing anything different. If you use other cameras frequently though it's slow to lock on and bad at tracking compared to modern Nikon and Canon bodies.

neil_g · 9 Sep 2011 at 10:17

bigredshark said:
In comparison to the competition it's pretty bad, it's at best on a par with my old D200s and no match for any modern Nikon body. It's most apparent in low light where it hunts loads unless used with really fast glass and it's never at it's best with low contrast targets. Added to that having 9 AF point necessarily means it doesn't cover as much of the frame as newer systems.

If you use a 5D/5DII solely (as it's the same system after all going back 6 years now) then you'd likely be happy enough with it not knowing anything different. If you use other cameras frequently though it's slow to lock on and bad at tracking compared to modern Nikon and Canon bodies.

maybe its the fast glass then. cant say ive thought to myself "holy sh!t this is slow compared to my 1Dmk3" though?

bigredshark · 9 Sep 2011 at 10:39

neil_g said:
maybe its the fast glass then. cant say ive thought to myself "holy sh!t this is slow compared to my 1Dmk3" though?

My other half has a 5DII, I was shooting some mountain biking a few months back with it and a D700, lots of swearing ensued. The 5DII just wouldn't lock on half the time, I think if you use it all the time you get used to it's idiosyncrasies and what works best but if you're not it was a minefield for me. That said I partly shot a few festival shots last weekend and never had a problem. Different uses.

It's particularly the 5D/5DII though, the 7D is much more usable to me, just works generally.

2Thumbs · 9 Sep 2011 at 11:00

bigredshark said:
My other half has a 5DII, I was shooting some mountain biking a few months back with it and a D700, lots of swearing ensued. The 5DII just wouldn't lock on half the time, I think if you use it all the time you get used to it's idiosyncrasies and what works best but if you're not it was a minefield for me. That said I partly shot a few festival shots last weekend and never had a problem. Different uses.

It's particularly the 5D/5DII though, the 7D is much more usable to me, just works generally.

Isn't the D700 a professional grade camera in-line with the 1D though? Seems like it in terms of the amount of AF assist points etc. 5D's were never marketed to be a blazingly fast camera for shooting sports etc.

bigredshark · 9 Sep 2011 at 11:16

2Thumbs said:
Isn't the D700 a professional grade camera in-line with the 1D though? Seems like it in terms of the amount of AF assist points etc. 5D's were never marketed to be a blazingly fast camera for shooting sports etc.

It's Nikon's nearest equivalent to the 5DII. It's a full frame prosumer camera in the same price bracket and market segment as the 5DII, it does share it's AF system with the D3 series of cameras (as does the D300/s). Nikon like reusing such components. But in answer to the question - no, the D700 is a 5DII competitor, the D3s/D3x compete with the 1D(s) series.

I appreciate you don't buy the 5DII for that sort of use explicitly and it is a very good camera but it's AF system is ancient and poor compared to it's competitors and it's Canon siblings.

I'm not portraying something else as better though, just answering the question 'what's wrong with the 5DII AF?', the answer being it struggles to acquire focus in less optimal conditions, struggles to track consistently and it has limited frame coverage compared to every other prosumer/professional camera on the market today.

I assume they'll give the 5DIII the AF system from the 7D and all will be well.

FreeStream · 9 Sep 2011 at 11:48

jonneymendoza said:
The 5dmk2 is a waste for my needs with its terrible AF thats comparible to my 400d. i will wait till canon sort themselves out and bring out a d700 replica. im hoping 5dmk3 will be that ie fast accurate AF like d700/7d and in FF

The 400D has worse AF than the 5DII!

400D << 40D/50D < 5DII <<< 7D << 1D series

neil_g · 9 Sep 2011 at 12:20

bigredshark said:
I assume they'll give the 5DIII the AF system from the 7D and all will be well.

i dont think they will, it would hamper sales of any potential 1Dsmk4

An Exception · 9 Sep 2011 at 12:25

There was rumour that the 7Dii would feature a lower res FF sensor compared to the 5diii.
That may be the camera Canon fans's are waiting for...

bigredshark · 9 Sep 2011 at 12:30

Concorde Rules said:
The 400D has worse AF than the 5DII!

400D << 40D/50D < 5DII <<< 7D << 1D series

20D through to 5DII have exactly the same AF spec and hence I suspect the same system. In fact looking, it's exactly the same spec as the 550D too...9AF points, 1 cross type. Only the 7D is noticeably better.

Same with Nikon of course, the D3100, D5100, D90, D200 and D80 all use the same 11 point system, the only difference is Nikon filtered down the D3's AF to the D300 and D700 and uncharacteristically came up with something new for the D7000.