Looking to get into full-frame...

I don't know that the 550D etc. have the 6 AF assist points around the centre though? I can't remember seeing a setting for it.
 
neil_g said:
i dont think they will, it would hamper sales of any potential 1Dsmk4
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Depends how conservative they want to be, Nikon released with D700 with the same sensor, same AF as the D3 less than a year later. I don't think it really hurt D3 sales. Different market.
 
BusError said:
I find it quite funny to see people saying the 5DMkII is a "waste" while it has a better AF than many generations of cameras before itself. And /these/ cameras nobody ever complained about non-functional AF, at all.

Just because it doesn't have has many gizmos as some others doesn't mean it doesn't work; for one thing, many photographers (like me) never use the "other" AF points. When I use AF, I only use the central one and recompose anyway. It's not like that camera was designed for shooting sports after all.
And it's not like the other points don't work either, they might not work /as good/ as the central one, and only in some conditions.
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The fact that you focus and recompose tells a lot about your level of technical expertise. Why have such a camera if you are not going to get the best out of it?

This is a truely terrible idea.Amazing how many people do this withotu relaising the consequences.
 
neil_g said:
whats wrong with the 5dmk2 AF? ive used it for equestrian comps, didnt break a sweat.

i was reading a US based drag racing blog a little while ago and they used a mk2 also if i remember rightly.

sure its no 1d AF system but it really isnt that bad..
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I find the 5DMKII worse than mz Nikon D90 form what I have used, and the D90 is hardlz blazing, just about adaquate really. Compare the 5DMKII to the Nion D7000 (yes the crop camera), and then the Nikon thrashes the Canon 5DMKII for focussing. And for 99% of people the D7000 will be more useful and provide comparable noise, resolution and dynamic range. I assume the Canon 7D is similar to the Nikon D7000?
 
Ejizz said:
There was rumour that the 7Dii would feature a lower res FF sensor compared to the 5diii.
That may be the camera Canon fans's are waiting for...
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So many people buy it for the crop ratio I think it would be a mistake leaving the crops with no quality built body.

If anything with the build quality on the 60D they have opened the gap up from what used to be the 50D to 7D. I can't see them leaving the 60D at the top of the range for a crop sensor.

I'm waiting patiently on a 7D2, I don't require or want a FF sensor from it just improved ISO past 800 on what they have.

The money is already sitting there, just waiting for Canon to get their fingers out and eventually start releasing some bodies :D
 
bigredshark said:
Depends how conservative they want to be, Nikon released with D700 with the same sensor, same AF as the D3 less than a year later. I don't think it really hurt D3 sales. Different market.
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Exactly, those pros that truely need a pro body will still buy the pro body.
Nikon provided basically an identical camera internals in a smaller form factor with a few minor differences without loosing any sales of their pro line.

What we might find is the the D700 sucessor has the same fous system as the current model while the D4 has a new system, which is not the slightest concern really cosnidering how good the D700 is. However, considering the D7000 has a new focussing system I am assuming the D700 sucessor will get a new system.
 
D.P. said:
I find the 5DMKII worse than mz Nikon D90 form what I have used, and the D90 is hardlz blazing, just about adaquate really. Compare the 5DMKII to the Nion D7000 (yes the crop camera), and then the Nikon thrashes the Canon 5DMKII for focussing. And for 99% of people the D7000 will be more useful and provide comparable noise, resolution and dynamic range. I assume the Canon 7D is similar to the Nikon D7000?
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Only 1% of people need a FF camera? :eek:
 
D.P. said:
I find the 5DMKII worse than mz Nikon D90 form what I have used, and the D90 is hardlz blazing, just about adaquate really. Compare the 5DMKII to the Nion D7000 (yes the crop camera), and then the Nikon thrashes the Canon 5DMKII for focussing. And for 99% of people the D7000 will be more useful and provide comparable noise, resolution and dynamic range. I assume the Canon 7D is similar to the Nikon D7000?
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Depends on your definition of similar, the 7D's images are not quite as sharp, are nosier, especially that darn blue channel, and doesn't have anywhere near the 'usable' dynamic range, although it doesn't suffer anywhere near as much from noise and banding in the shadows as the 5Dii does.
And from a few reports despite it's wonderful build quality (ruggedness), it isn't as weather sealed as the Nikon body as the back of the camera let's in water too easily.
 
Rojin said:
Only 1% of people need a FF camera? :eek:
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No, far, far less people need full frame. An IPhone is actually suitable for most people, some point and shoot cameras sort out most of the rest. A few of us need a DSLR, and of that small minority, not many will need full frame. It is popular for bragging rights and pretending you are a pro but the disadvantages and advantages don't make FF a clear benefit for a majority of DSLR users, especially on the Canon 5Dmkii when you are not gaining the focus abilites of the 7D. FF is a bandwagon and it is a shame many people get fooled into shelling out big bucks for a FF camera and lenses when they aren-t using a cropped sensor to the fullest. E.g, anyone who is focusing and recomposing on a full frame camera hasn't moved beyond the techniques of a point and shoot camera and would be well served by an entry level DSLR.

You also see a lot of people moving to m43s and other mirroless systems due to different pros and cons. Therfore a sensor that lies half way between m43s and FF, i.e. APS-C, is ideal for most DSLR users.

Yes, there are some situations where some minority of users will benefit from a FF sensor. But most people don't really understand when they would benefit. Those that do know and require the benefits mostly have the a FF and take great photos.
 
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So many people buy it for the crop ratio I think it would be a mistake leaving the crops with no quality built body.

If anything with the build quality on the 60D they have opened the gap up from what used to be the 50D to 7D. I can't see them leaving the 60D at the top of the range for a crop sensor.

I'm waiting patiently on a 7D2, I don't require or want a FF sensor from it just improved ISO past 800 on what they have.

The money is already sitting there, just waiting for Canon to get their fingers out and eventually start releasing some bodies :D
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If the XXD line returned with the same build quality as the 50D, then that would fill that hole.
Maybe you like the 1.6 crop factor, but I personally would be happy to see it relegated to the rebel class of bodies.
The 1.3 crop factor might be a decent compromise however, for the 7D class of body...
 
A vote for the 5D classic, I still love mine as much as I always have. It might be old but it does everything a camera should and does it exceptionally well.
 
Ejizz said:
^^^
I agree, if you can find one at a decent price, it's bargain of a camera for the IQ it delivers.
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Arguably, a D7000 is only marginally more for a new one and offers pretty equivalent IQ. It's a smaller more consumer body but it has a few tricks up it's sleeve (video, shooting speed for starters). It comes back to that bit about 'needing' full frame of course.

I'm not one to talk, I have full frame gear without a compelling need for it, though I think I'm finally about to crack and buy a 35/1.4 prime eventually. That's a lens which is pointless on a crop sensor.
 
bigredshark said:
20D through to 5DII have exactly the same AF spec and hence I suspect the same system. In fact looking, it's exactly the same spec as the 550D too...9AF points, 1 cross type. Only the 7D is noticeably better.

Same with Nikon of course, the D3100, D5100, D90, D200 and D80 all use the same 11 point system, the only difference is Nikon filtered down the D3's AF to the D300 and D700 and uncharacteristically came up with something new for the D7000.
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It might be the same on the specs sheet, but i'd be VERY surprised if Canon haven't tweaked it here and there from what they have learnt over the last 10 years.

I know the 40D & 550D basically focus the same from using them. Shame the 5DII has such a poor AF system, needs the 7Ds system for the 5DIII IMO.
 
bigredshark said:
Arguably, a D7000 is only marginally more for a new one and offers pretty equivalent IQ. It's a smaller more consumer body but it has a few tricks up it's sleeve (video, shooting speed for starters). It comes back to that bit about 'needing' full frame of course.

I'm not one to talk, I have full frame gear without a compelling need for it, though I think I'm finally about to crack and buy a 35/1.4 prime eventually. That's a lens which is pointless on a crop sensor.
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Oh without doubt, the D7K would be my first choice again if I was ever after a crop sensor, in fact strangely, I'm still mourning it unlike any other camera I'v previously owned, just hope it's gone to a good home :(.
 
D.P. said:
No, far, far less people need full frame. An IPhone is actually suitable for most people, some point and shoot cameras sort out most of the rest. A few of us need a DSLR, and of that small minority, not many will need full frame. It is popular for bragging rights and pretending you are a pro but the disadvantages and advantages don't make FF a clear benefit for a majority of DSLR users, especially on the Canon 5Dmkii when you are not gaining the focus abilites of the 7D. FF is a bandwagon and it is a shame many people get fooled into shelling out big bucks for a FF camera and lenses when they aren-t using a cropped sensor to the fullest. E.g, anyone who is focusing and recomposing on a full frame camera hasn't moved beyond the techniques of a point and shoot camera and would be well served by an entry level DSLR.

You also see a lot of people moving to m43s and other mirroless systems due to different pros and cons. Therfore a sensor that lies half way between m43s and FF, i.e. APS-C, is ideal for most DSLR users.

Yes, there are some situations where some minority of users will benefit from a FF sensor. But most people don't really understand when they would benefit. Those that do know and require the benefits mostly have the a FF and take great photos.
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Non users of DSLR's are really irrelevant from the thread and previous statements to be honest! I don't see FF as a bandwagon as such it's just another offering which does offer tangible benefits. I'm stuck at the moment with FF and crop bodies and I just don't know what to do with myself! I'm well aware of the benefits of both but just can't bring myself to get rid on one or the other (I can't get my head around having two bodies just for a hobby, it's a waste).
 
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