Lotus Elise

Righty then, nothing too controversial so far ;)

Firstly, if you do decide to buy one buy it within the next few weeks. As soon as we get a few warm days prices go up by £1k. Also If you can up your budget to £11k, it’ll be the difference between getting a very good car and an excellent car.

I spent a lot of time in the passenger seat of an Elise before I bought mine and to be honest I wasn’t that impressed. Sure it was a quick car but I just didn’t quite get it, that was until I drove one. The feedback that you get through the steering is simply remarkable, the only way I can describe it is that steering in normal cars is like a quiet Yorkshire man, in the Elise it’s like a talkative child but the child is your daughter and you love her to bits.

Practically at best descried as “reasonable”. I’m a single 20 something and have no trouble using it as my daily drive, I can fit 2 weeks shopping in the boot and last year I fitted in a 4 man tent, full camping gear and clothes for 2 when I went down to Le Mans.

You need to budget around £1500 for maintenance a year (10 000 miles) though that should hopefully include a set of tyres at around £400. If you are planning on tracking the car then expect bigger brake and tyre bills. You do need to be ready for bigger costs though this can be offset by finding a car that has a recent suspension change (S2 suspension is a good upgrade for the S1 at around £700-800) and is fitted with new tyres. The AA Parts and labour warrantee is also a good idea as it cover the well documented though surprisingly rare HGF.

Reliability is generally good though is reliant on you finding a good one. I highly recommend that you look on SELOC, there are a number of fantastic cars on there and remember, the bigger the pile of history the better. Receipts = :D
 
NathanE said:
Didn't Lotus make the VX220 anyway? It is basically just an Elise underneath?

I don't think I could drive around in one those. I mean not only is a Vauxhall. But also a "fake" Lotus.

So in the first sentence you say that LOTUS made the VX, then you say "not only is it a Vauxhall". Make your mind up.
Does a badge really make such a difference to you?

NathanE said:
I believe Jeremy Clarkson once described the Porsche Boxster as a "car for those who didn't quite do well enough in life to afford a proper 911". TBH the same applies to the VX and Elise here.

A quick search on Autotrader shows brand new Boxsters for up to £50k, hardly a car owned by someone that didn't do quite as well in life is it?
The same doesn't apply to the VX and Elise at all IMO. I've done ok for myself and can afford either the VXT or a 111R, my choice is definitely the VXT as I believe it's the better car (especially with a Milltek and remap, 250BHP anyone?). Personally I couldn't care less about the badge.
 
I believe it's the better car (especially with a Milltek and remap, 250BHP anyone?). Personally I couldn't care less about the badge.

If peope can see beyond the badge, then yes, the VX is the better bet. However, the Elise is regarded to be the 'better car' - I've seen a couple of reviews whereby the 111R is rated slightly higher than the VXT.

Also, people seem to think that the VXT is better "because its mappable to 2xxbhp". Firstly, I don't care how well its managed - Forced induction on an Elise/VX isn't right IMO. Secondly, I bet 80% of Elise/VX owners couldn't exploit the standard 120/160bhp fully - let alone 250bhp with torque to match. Them being faster does not equal better.

Yes, I'm a Lotus fanboy, but I do believe them to be the more attractive car.
 
Matmulder said:
If peope can see beyond the badge, then yes, the VX is the better bet. However, the Elise is regarded to be the 'better car' - I've seen a couple of reviews whereby the 111R is rated slightly higher than the VXT.

Also, people seem to think that the VXT is better "because its mappable to 2xxbhp". Firstly, I don't care how well its managed - Forced induction on an Elise/VX isn't right IMO. Secondly, I bet 80% of Elise/VX owners couldn't exploit the standard 120/160bhp fully - let alone 250bhp with torque to match. Them being faster does not equal better.

Yes, I'm a Lotus fanboy, but I do believe them to be the more attractive car.

Being really serious and promising not to sound sarcy or oneupmanshipesque.. have you driven one?

the power delivery in the VXT is DISGUSTINGLY smooth, theres no lag.. at all.. its just power from tickover (believe peak torque is at 1900 rpm and then flat to about 6k) its incredibly easy to drive fast (or at least as fast as I dared on public roads) and is in honesty, very flattering to the driver... no experience of the 2.2 tho.. but im told thats the more 'performance' orientated car
 
loved the small amount of time that i have spent driving a S1 elise.
amazing car, however the looks are getting on now. not sure i like the vx better either.
both would be a good choice :]
 
eidolon said:
So in the first sentence you say that LOTUS made the VX, then you say "not only is it a Vauxhall". Make your mind up.
Does a badge really make such a difference to you?
You know what I'm saying... you're just being awkward.


eidolon said:
A quick search on Autotrader shows brand new Boxsters for up to £50k, hardly a car owned by someone that didn't do quite as well in life is it?
The same doesn't apply to the VX and Elise at all IMO. I've done ok for myself and can afford either the VXT or a 111R, my choice is definitely the VXT as I believe it's the better car (especially with a Milltek and remap, 250BHP anyone?). Personally I couldn't care less about the badge.
Oh wait, Clarkson said it... it must be true! ;)
 
Also, people seem to think that the VXT is better "because its mappable to 2xxbhp". Firstly, I don't care how well its managed - Forced induction on an Elise/VX isn't right IMO.

Have you driven one?
Theres no lag at all and massive power right through the rev range, how can anything be a better drive than that?

Certainly not VVT systems
 
NathanE said:
Didn't Lotus make the VX220 anyway? It is basically just an Elise underneath?

I don't think I could drive around in one those. I mean not only is a Vauxhall. But also a "fake" Lotus. I believe Jeremy Clarkson once described the Porsche Boxster as a "car for those who didn't quite do well enough in life to afford a proper 911". TBH the same applies to the VX and Elise here.

No it doesn't...Not in the slightest :/

I'd have the VX220...I actually prefer the styling...Especially cleaned...And in black...

...*drools*

*n
 
Ive got a 98 elise in azure blue (imo best colour) used as my daily drive.

Had a few probs with mine but all easily sorted, leaking inlet manafold gasked (though it was dreaded hgf) 2 hours job sorted it, coil gone leaving me stranded in london until 1.30 am (useless AA called them at 6.30pm) took an hour to fit new one

Love it to bits :)

As mentioned earlier loads of info on http://www.seloc.org/

Few pics

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Matmulder said:
Also, people seem to think that the VXT is better "because its mappable to 2xxbhp". Firstly, I don't care how well its managed - Forced induction on an Elise/VX isn't right IMO.

It's already been said but you'd struggle to know that the VX had a turbo, there's no whistle noise, no lag, no dumpvalve noise, just plenty of power from tickover right up to the redline.

NathanE said:
You know what I'm saying... you're just being awkward.

I'm not being awkward, I'm pointing out that your arguement is flawed.
 
Good to see that the whole Elise/VX argument happened whilst I was asleep.

The better car is the one that you prefer on the test drive. Simple as that. I've seen standard S1s blast past VX220 Turbos and I've seen XV220s 2.2s pass Exiges, at the end of the day it comes down to the driver and personally I'd much rather spend money on driver training than making my car more powerful. I know which one would make me faster on the road and track :)
 
Havn't read the entire thread but am I right in thinking Elises use Rover K Series engines? If so, what does the VX220 use?

I do love the VX220, but I also love the Elise. I would have to drive both before deciding.
 
Wow, this thread came up at a very convenient time!
I was looking to get a lotus elise myself, but looking at the prices of insurance compared to the VX220, I'm now after a VX220!
Anyone know a good place to look for these second hand, and maybe a buyers guide somewhere?
 
Conanius said:
Being really serious and promising not to sound sarcy or oneupmanshipesque.. have you driven one?

the power delivery in the VXT is DISGUSTINGLY smooth, theres no lag.. at all.. its just power from tickover (believe peak torque is at 1900 rpm and then flat to about 6k) its incredibly easy to drive fast (or at least as fast as I dared on public roads) and is in honesty, very flattering to the driver... no experience of the 2.2 tho.. but im told thats the more 'performance' orientated car
While the above may be true, it has a FBW throttle. Which is a huge no-no.

And before you ask, yes, I have driven one.

I've had my '99 Elise a little over a month now, it's great fun but be prepared for some reasonable bills. I need to have the instruments refurbished (£400+), discs and pads changed (~£300+ depending what I go for) and the roof refurbishing at Lotus (bargain at ~£50) and some new tyres by summer (~£500). That said, for a sports car that'll keep up with Ferraris of a similar vintage, it's cheap as chips. Mine doesn't leak, rattle any more than you'd expect of a stripped out road car and it sounds great with a third party exhaust and, err, a bit of the pipe missing.
 
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