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Low end Ryzen 3 vs 5

FatRakoon

FatRakoon

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Ok, a while back, I built up a Ryzen setup for my son. Today, he told me that he has swapped it for a better system.
The system I gave him was low end for sure, but he has been given an even lower end one and the guy has in my opinion, completely blagged his head.

The Setup I gave him was a Ryzen 2400G
The setup that he sawpped it for is a Ryzen 3600G

So, on the face of it, 3600 is obviously higher than 2400, however, the 2400 is a Ryzen 5 with 11MB Cache and the 3600 is a ryzen 3 with only a 4MB Cache

Not only that,. but the Ryzen 3 is 4 core and the 5 is 4 Core with HT, so 8 Logical.

They are both 3.6Ghz

I told him that he was shafted, but he wont believe me.

One bunuis I suppose, is that his was a HP with a HP Board and case, while the board he has, is an ASUS and the case is a decent looking thing, and so sure, he has gained on that.

I have looked at benches for these 2 CPUs and they are very much on par with each other, but I dont see that at all... They are both 3.6Ghz ok, but one has 111MB cache plus HT and other has only a 4MB Cahce and not HT so surely those alone would make a sizeable difference surely?

Anyway, just a whine really, but can anyone back me up or shall I just accept the exchange and consider getting him a better CPU?

Oh, and yes, they both have 8GB RAM but his new board has 4 slots, the other one had just 2 so RAM can be upped too!
 
Sounds like neither you or your son know what's going on as the 3600G doesn't exist. I think you mean a 3200G which is indeed worse than a 2400G. The 2400G is 4c8t and zen 1 whereas the 3200G is 4c4t and zen+. The igpu on the 3200g is vega 8 rather than vega 11 that's on the 2400g too. So it worse in ever way other than single thread.
 
Bugger yeah the 3200G sorry.
And yes, the GFX are Vega 11 vs Vega 8 the cache is smaller 4M over 11M and the fact that the 2400G has Hyperthreading too!

But yeah, I get confused with numbers... I appologise, but I had an accident in Dec 2012 and I now have serious issues with many things physical and mental.

I do know what I am doing though ... mostly ... LOL
 
You SHOULD be able to put in an APU like the 5600G or 5700G (tbh I'd lean towards the 5600G in this case as it's a good chunk cheaper than the 5700G).
My basket at OcUK:

Total: £143.99 (includes delivery: £3.99)​

This would be a big improvement in all areas over both the 2400G & 3200G

I'd also consider swapping from an 8GB RAM kit to a 16GB RAM Kit, ideally something like this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...-mhz-amd-ryzen-tuned-ddr4-memo-my-4bw-cs.html

Or even a 32GB kit (they're pretty cheap these days) such as: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...0-mhz-amd-ryzen-tuned-ddr4-mem-my-4cl-cs.html
 
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Yes thank you.
I have just recently gone through the same arguement with that 2400G and as things went on, I eventually bought him a Ryzen 7 78003DX ( or whatever ) and so, since he now has a half decent Motherboard over the HP one, he could now at least go for a better CPU.
The 6 core would certainly be a nice option and with both a slightly fastyer core, and 16MB Cache would be better too!
The OnBoard GFX... what would you say that is equivalent of? I mean... I had a tiny GTX1050 that was much quicker than the 2400G Vega Graphics and that was Vega 11 ( IIRC? ) The only GFX cards I have that he can have now, would be a A GTX 580, 960 or 980 or an ATI RX580 - I think they are all better than the Onboard. ( But not tested them - Im purely going by that 1050 )
Agreed on the RAM... All my PCs have 32GB and while this is overkill, I am finding that I use a RAMDISK with 16GB and for my giggles, I move my current game onto that with steam and I play the game that way, makes it instant between levels.
Ok, enough waffle.
 
FatRakoon said:
I had a tiny GTX1050 that was much quicker than the 2400G Vega Graphics and that was Vega 11 ( IIRC? ) The only GFX cards I have that he can have now, would be a A GTX 580, 960 or 980 or an ATI RX580 - I think they are all better than the Onboard. ( But not tested them - Im purely going by that 1050 )
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The rx580 is similar to the gtx980. Either would be my pick.
 
FatRakoon said:
Yes thank you.
I have just recently gone through the same arguement with that 2400G and as things went on, I eventually bought him a Ryzen 7 78003DX ( or whatever ) and so, since he now has a half decent Motherboard over the HP one, he could now at least go for a better CPU.
The 6 core would certainly be a nice option and with both a slightly fastyer core, and 16MB Cache would be better too!
The OnBoard GFX... what would you say that is equivalent of? I mean... I had a tiny GTX1050 that was much quicker than the 2400G Vega Graphics and that was Vega 11 ( IIRC? ) The only GFX cards I have that he can have now, would be a A GTX 580, 960 or 980 or an ATI RX580 - I think they are all better than the Onboard. ( But not tested them - Im purely going by that 1050 )
Agreed on the RAM... All my PCs have 32GB and while this is overkill, I am finding that I use a RAMDISK with 16GB and for my giggles, I move my current game onto that with steam and I play the game that way, makes it instant between levels.
Ok, enough waffle.
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If you've bought a 7800X3D that won't fit in the new motherboard he has (that has the 3200G in it)...so you'll also need a new motherboard and new RAM.
 
No no no, you are correct, they are completely different setups. The 7800 is also a 58003DX and NOT a 78003DX sorry... I made that mistake a few weeks ago on this very forum.

I upgraded from the ryzen 5 2400G to the Ryzen 7 58003DX and I keepo mistakjing the 7 but thats cos the Ryzen 7 I think?
No, that 5800 is a cool setup and I kept that as my No2 Linux PC. and gave my I7 7700 setup to my son insterad of the Ryzen 7
That let me give the little Ryzen 5 2400G to my other son, who has now swapped it for the Ryzen 3 3200G

Please accept my appologies but these numbers get on my pip as I get confused very easily.

I will re-run through these to make sure that I have the numbers correct...

Now, for what it is worth the Ryzen 3 is in an ASUS PRIME motherboard and so that is obviousl;y superior to the HP Board that his Ryzen 5 was in.\
So, I think that the six core Ryzen 5600G seems to be a great choice for him. I will give him the RX580 cos thats an Asus and also being AMD Chipset and AMD GFX and AMD CPU, it kind of all goes together ( ok, but you know what I mean )

Ok, I think thats correct?
 
FatRakoon said:
So, I think that the six core Ryzen 5600G seems to be a great choice for him. I will give him the RX580 cos thats an Asus and also being AMD Chipset and AMD GFX and AMD CPU, it kind of all goes together ( ok, but you know what I mean )

Ok, I think thats correct?
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There's no advantage in pairing an AMD APU with inbuilt graphics with an AMD discrete GPU. (I wish there was)

Performance will be worse than an equivalent CPU option like the 5600 (no G). So maybe consider that instead.
 
No, thats not what I meant... I meant just keeping it simple by having it all AMD based.
However, I have done some tests with various setups over the years and tryign out the Hybrid Crossfire with OnBoard GFX and a card, and you do get a small boost over just using one or the the other, but yeah, not enough to bother with.

I just do stupid things like hunting down a compatible card to do these tests, and thats me all over. Im a nob.
 
FatRakoon said:
No, thats not what I meant... I meant just keeping it simple by having it all AMD based.
However, I have done some tests with various setups over the years and tryign out the Hybrid Crossfire with OnBoard GFX and a card, and you do get a small boost over just using one or the the other, but yeah, not enough to bother with.

I just do stupid things like hunting down a compatible card to do these tests, and thats me all over. Im a nob.
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Hybrid crossfire! that's a fun old memory. Combining motherboard integrated graphics on AM3 with a low end GPU.

Just hasn't been a thing for a while. Since "Dual Graphics" on FM2.
 
Hybrid or Dual... To be honest, I thought they were the same thing, or rather I thought DUAL was like some of my Laptops, in that they have Intel GFX and then nVidia for gaming, and they could switch between the two.
Either way, its using both the CPU and GPU in whatever format they are!
Erm, I am looking at my stuff and the last time I played with that CPU plus Card thingy, was my AMD A10-6800K PC. Its got a Gigabyte F2 A85-XN Motherboard, 240GB SSD and 3TB WD Black.
I compared the OnBoard of the CPU With an ATI 6600 Card and also in dual or hybrid crossfire and the card on its own, just to see what I got... I also tested an ATI7700 on its own too and the single 7700 was of course vastly quicker... But it was fun all the same. I still got that machine and its used purely for backing up my6 Atari Falcon stuff and as it has a ZIP Drive, I am using Vista64 on it - Newer versaions of Windows no longer support the ZIP Drive.
I had thought of toying with a Ryzen with Dual or Hybrid Graphics, just to see, but again, this would be a waste of time I recon.
Its the finding of compatible GFX Card that are a pain and Im not sure that the Ryzen does it any anymore anyway?
pandem0nium said:
Yeah, agreed. I'd like to see some useful synergy between the GPUs.
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Forgive my ignorance, but wasnt crossfire done in this way?

Unlike SLI that shares everything, crossfire worked my having a master and then delegating tasks to the slave cards?

I was told but I have clearly forgotten. ( Like everything else in my head )
 
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