Low end Ryzen 3 vs 5

[pandem0nium]

Hybrid or Dual... To be honest, I thought they were the same thing, or rather I thought DUAL was like some of my Laptops, in that they have Intel GFX and then nVidia for gaming, and they could switch between the two.
Either way, its using both the CPU and GPU in whatever format they are!
Erm, I am looking at my stuff and the last time I played with that CPU plus Card thingy, was my AMD A10-6800K PC. Its got a Gigabyte F2 A85-XN Motherboard, 240GB SSD and 3TB WD Black.
I compared the OnBoard of the CPU With an ATI 6600 Card and also in dual or hybrid crossfire and the card on its own, just to see what I got... I also tested an ATI7700 on its own too and the single 7700 was of course vastly quicker... But it was fun all the same. I still got that machine and its used purely for backing up my6 Atari Falcon stuff and as it has a ZIP Drive, I am using Vista64 on it - Newer versaions of Windows no longer support the ZIP Drive.
I had thought of toying with a Ryzen with Dual or Hybrid Graphics, just to see, but again, this would be a waste of time I recon.
Its the finding of compatible GFX Card that are a pain and Im not sure that the Ryzen does it any anymore anyway?


Forgive my ignorance, but wasnt crossfire done in this way?

Unlike SLI that shares everything, crossfire worked my having a master and then delegating tasks to the slave cards?

I was told but I have clearly forgotten. ( Like everything else in my head )

Well, when talking about crossfire, SLI, you're probably talking about AFR (Alternate frame rendering). One GPU in the array would render a frame, then the next GPU then the next one or back to the first one. SLI and CF didn't really work any differently but CF was a bit more flexible with the GPUs that could work together.

There's no Dual Graphics fun to be had with Ryzen onwards, unfortunately. That finished with the FM2 APUs like the one you had.

But in my last comment, I wasn't really talking about SLI / CF. I've accepted that multi gpu is long dead at this point. Just that it'd be good if some work could be offloaded to a secondary weaker GPU to benefit the primary in a gaming situation.

 

[FatRakoon]

Yes, I got a couple of Ryzens and the graphics are certainly nice, and quite useable, but they are still only better than a basic GFX Card.

In fact, even a low end card is sometimes beneficial, because the Integrated GPU takes up the RAM while a Card uses its own GFX and so you are already using up important RAM as it is!

I got one setup that also uses RAM even though I threw a card into it. It now says that I have both ATI VEGA and nVIDIA Graphics, and then its also using 2GB of RAM on the VEGA and yet nothing is connected to it.

I havre seen this before and its usually bypassable, but on that PC, there is nothing in the BIOS or on the board that allows me to disable the onboard. Thats a bit annoying and so in the end, I decided to stick witth the onboard as its using up the resources anyway, and I am not gaming on it.

As for SLI/XFIRE, I was under the impression that the XFIRE works with one card being tyhje master and any other cards doing the .extra jobs to help the master out, and the SLI was every other LINE of GRAPHICS not just every frame... Hence the name?

But yeah, it makes no difference to the end user, although I have had motherboards that allow both XFIRE and SLI such as the SabreTooth ( Stil have 2 ) and I did some playing about on those too! - XFIRE with 2xATI 7700 and with a pair of GTX470 cards.

Those cards are not that far off each other in terms of game ability with the nVidia edging out in front a little, however the ATI using a fraction of the power and producing way less heat.

 

[Havana_UK]

OK, if you're looking for a new CPU to replace the 3200G (which is an APU), and you plan to use a discrete GPU then consider something like:

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail

Order AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail now online and benefit from fast delivery.

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The only reason I recommended the 5600G was because I thought you wanted to stick with the APU option and not use a separate GPU. Since you are planning with a GPU then just get a straight CPU.

 

[pandem0nium]

As for SLI/XFIRE, I was under the impression that the XFIRE works with one card being tyhje master and any other cards doing the .extra jobs to help the master out, and the SLI was every other LINE of GRAPHICS not just every frame... Hence the name?

No, they take it in turns in both SLI and CF (AFR).
There's SFR split frame rendering where both cards work on the same frame at the same time. One on the top half, one on the lower. There's only one CIV game that I can think of that ever used that.

I think the master / slave thing from AMD was because only the master / primary card could be used for display outputs. whereas you could use whichever in SLI.

Not sure how the SLI name factors in except to guess that maybe it worked differently in it's original incarnation as a 3DFX tech.

 

[FatRakoon]

OK, if you're looking for a new CPU to replace the 3200G (which is an APU), and you plan to use a discrete GPU then consider something like:

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail

Order AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

The only reason I recommended the 5600G was because I thought you wanted to stick with the APU option and not use a separate GPU. Since you are planning with a GPU then just get a straight CPU.

Yeah, the APU option would be cool, but I already have much better GFX Cards, so I might as well go for that hadnt I?
Is this why I could not get rid of the APU GFX listing and it using the RAM up, even though I am using a GFX card?

No, they take it in turns in both SLI and CF (AFR).
There's SFR split frame rendering where both cards work on the same frame at the same time. One on the top half, one on the lower. There's only one CIV game that I can think of that ever used that.

I think the master / slave thing from AMD was because only the master / primary card could be used for display outputs. whereas you could use whichever in SLI.

Not sure how the SLI name factors in except to guess that maybe it worked differently in it's original incarnation as a 3DFX tech.

Ah, the old 3DFX stuff..
I still got my old Orchid Righteous Voodoo 1 card, and I even still have a pair of Voodoo 2 cards, and the SLI Bridge, but they need a really old Mobo and I dont have one!
The last system I used them on was my Athlon 700 Slot-A board, along with my Matrox AGP Card, and SoundBlaster Live! - Definitely Windows 98 or maybe ME?

SLI v XFIRE - Yes, with the originals, you had the VGA IN and OUT on the Voodoo Cards, on the Voodoo1 you had the AGP going into the Voodoo and the Monitor conected to the Voodoo, and when a game started up that you played with OPENGL or 3DFX the thing would click like hell. The voodoo 2s never did that clicking, but you had the AGP into Voodoo then Voodoo into the Second Voodoo then the Second Voodoo to the Monitor and then the small bridge on the inside connecting the 2 voodoo cards together.
I had, and might still have it, an actual PhysX card... I had a couple of PhysX demos that showed it working and they were cool and all that, but when it came to actual gameplay, it didnt really make m,uch difference and in most games, it was slower. I know UT99 was definitely the game I was always on at the time.

Last game I played in SLI was the GTX470. I used tha AMD 8350 in the SabreTooth 990FX Mobo and that also toyed with the ATI 7700 in XFIRE mode. I only did it to play about and nothing in any serious way, but the heat from it when it had both nvidia cards in, was not even remotely funny, it was terrifying... The heat came up the back and out under the screen and it was too hot on my face, and it actually felt uncomfortable, it was that hot.

Anyway, I am waffling again.