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my old school chunky wipers would have helped me shed speedz faster due to "T3H INCR3D1BLE A3RO DYN4M1C DRAG!!"

i would have survived lol
 
I never said you were stupid and i'm sorry if you thought i was being harsh :). But when you say that the police shouldn't bother investigating RTC's because a driver might have had a heart attack, it does sound just a little bit stupid right?

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Maybe a poor analogy, but I still think my point is valid, the fact that an accident is caused by a driver having a heart attack, tells us more about the accident than combing so much of the motorway would, would it not? you still do CSI, but if the cause is known..... as i said before the key is in the car and the body, you dont need 12 hours of a closed motorway to investigate the car or the body, you do this back in the lab.


You don't get it. When car's travelling at 75+ mph collide with semi- stationary vehicles, trust me, everything gets shattered. Ok, the engine block wouldn't shatter, but everything else apart from that would. That means the car IS every tiny piece of plastic or glass on the road.

I'm of the opinion that these things take as long as they take. Every RTC is different so saying that it "shouldn't take as long as it does" is a silly argument, because you can't compare one RTC to another. All of your arguments are coming from a "driver caught in the queue on the motorway" point of view, but have you heard any arguments from people that are actually on scene? I mean they're not going to close a whole motorway if they don't have to, as it costs the economy around £1 million an hour to close a single motorway (iirc). The decisions to close motorways come from high up, not from a lowly traffic cop on the ground - he simply relays the situation to superiors who decide what to do.

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Ive dealt with wrecks all my life, my old man made a business out of repairing write-off for a long long time, which is why say the critical components which would tell you about the cause of the accident, would still be on the car, or at the very worst not far from the car.Im presuming accident investigators/traffic cops are trained well when it comes to automotive engineering.

Yes I speak from the POV of a frustrated motorist, but having driven in Europe extensively aswell,and NOT had similar experiences, i just cant help but think we are not doing something right, the addition of the Highways agency 'brigade' was meant to make things better, they certainly havent improved things at all.
 
I doubt very much whether your Father could repair a 'write off' which had crashed at a closing speed of 140 mph. Having cleared up a Escort which had bounced between a concrete central reservation and a nearside barrier a couple of times when doing 90 mph (no fatal thankfully) there was debris spread over 1/4 mile. Everything from a bolt upwards had to be cleared off the running surface.

As I mentioned before the local Police probably waited until first light to do the survey.

Also when anybody mentions that they do things better on the continent it brings a smile. Apart from the Dutch and Sweden, you are twice as likely to die from the 'better' ways.
 
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No i doubt we ever had a car that had been going that fast, I dont see how you got a closing speed of 140mph from 70 tho?

I think weve argued this to death, im going to stay in my ignorant frustrated state for now:p ive only spen 1,5 hours on the M6 in jam today:(
 
No i doubt we ever had a car that had been going that fast, I dont see how you got a closing speed of 140mph from 70 tho?

70mph + 70mph =140 mph closing speed.

The highest I have seen in an accident report was 170 mph-ish on a straight and wide single carriageway (70 mph + 100mph).
 
70mph + 70mph =140 mph closing speed.

The highest I have seen in an accident report was 170 mph-ish on a straight and wide single carriageway (70 mph + 100mph).


I guess Wohoo was talking about how you would get a 140mph closing speed on the same carriageway. To get those sorts of closing speeds, you would have to have leapt over the central reservation, which isnt unheard of but not that common AFAIK.
 
With the old ramped ends you could get a car flying for quite a distance. On one bridge a car manage to hit halfway up a pier after being launched.

The new, passive safe, barriers have the chevron ends.
 
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