Mac Miller found dead

If you do stupid things you win stupid prizes, just another dead idiot that put his life in danger for no good reason. If you have that kind of money why even do drugs, you can travel the world, help stop poaching and actually have an impact and meaning, that would be more of a high than what some forced chemical reaction can give.

NVP said:
This thread is full of disrespectful people who've no idea the power addiction has.
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If I wanted to I could drink a bottle of whiskey everyday, although I know it's not healthy and that I must stop, so I put the bottle down after having a few shots and call it a night, we could all be addicted but if you know it's that bad for you don't use it if you are weak willed, hence why I don't do coke.
 
Clearly his mental health tanked over the past couple of years, drugs and alcohol are relatively cheap ways for people to escape or numb their pain.

Calling them idiots and blaming them for their own addiction will do nothing to help them or people who are heading down that path. If anything you'll attach horrible stigmas to these people and make them even less likely to reach out for help (fear of being judged, also means they'll try and hide it more).

These people need help, support, and good people around them to encourage them to seek help.
 
Plenty of people also have mental health issues (ie depression), without doing crack cocaine or heroin. Even plenty on this very forum.

Plenty of us here will be "addicted" to something or other, but we've chosen our vices slightly better in that they (probably) won't kill us.
 
FoxEye said:
Plenty of people also have mental health issues (ie depression), without doing crack cocaine or heroin. Even plenty on this very forum.

Plenty of us here will be "addicted" to something or other, but we've chosen our vices slightly better in that they (probably) won't kill us.
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Good for them, doesn't give them the right to judge others who aren't as lucky.


Plenty of people manage their depression with exercise, doesn't mean telling a depressed person to exercise is good advice or helpful.
 
explicit4u said:
Clearly his mental health tanked over the past couple of years, drugs and alcohol are relatively cheap ways for people to escape or numb their pain.

Calling them idiots and blaming them for their own addiction will do nothing to help them or people who are heading down that path. If anything you'll attach horrible stigmas to these people and make them even less likely to reach out for help (fear of being judged, also means they'll try and hide it more).

These people need help, support, and good people around them to encourage them to seek help.
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No, they need to not take drugs.

I'm not taking drugs right now - it's amazingly easy. Try it. I recommend it to anyone! Not taking drugs is fun for all the family.
 
explicit4u said:
These people need help, support, and good people around them to encourage them to seek help.
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People need to stop the pity train for addiction and making out like it's not controllable and not the addicts fault, it's 100% their fault and 100% their choice to take the easy path to destruction

People generally don't do things they don't want to do, unless they are forced, addicts are addicts because they want to binge on their addiction and their desire to stop is less than their desire to continue, it's really that simple
 
Minusorange said:
People need to stop the pity train for addiction and making out like it's not controllable and not the addicts fault, it's 100% their fault and 100% their choice to take the easy path to destruction

People generally don't do things they don't want to do, unless they are forced, addicts are addicts because they want to binge on their addiction and their desire to stop is less than their desire to continue, it's really that simple
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I completely disagree, I also don't think it matters whose fault it is or that it's their choice to do drugs.

The best outcome for everyone - the addict, the people around the addict, and society as a whole - is for them to get the treatment they need and find better coping mechanisms. The attitudes people in this thread display do nothing to make that more likely, they make it worse and all of the above suffer because of it.
 
Roland Butter said:
I respect him as much as he respected women and cops.
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I'd not heard of him before but did look him up on wikipedia, seems he wrote a song about Donald Trump (before he became President the hip hop world seemed to think he was a cool, because he was a "player" etc..) and sure enough its all about "bitches" and money etc... Amusingly Kanye West still likes Trump - he's actually "keeping it real" seemingly.

it is a bit odd that SJWs seem to have a blind spot for rap music these days, IIRC just over a decade or so ago you'd have student unions banning their bars/clubs/student radio stations from playing say Eminem because he'd been derogatory towards women, these days however most of them are about as likely to go after the dodgy aspects of hip hop culture as they are to go after the dodgy aspects of Islamic culture.

If you're a rapper then you can say things about women (or even do things like literally beat them up) and still be welcome at award shows and be seen partying with the same celebs who would otherwise be among the first to jump on social media with a load of virtue signalling backing the latest hip movement... thus we've see the irony of millionaire celebs backing Occupy Wall Street, celebs who will happy endorse brands with a dubious track record in third world countries supporting "black lives matter", celebs who are happy to befriend and openly support literal rapists, women abusers etc.. standing up for #MeToo etc..

Anyway regards this guy himself, meh... he was pretty silly to get involved in drugs to that extent, though any early death like that is still pretty tragic. RIP
 
explicit4u said:
What do you think seeking help and support leads to?
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I know this may come as a shock to you but people manage to NOT TAKE DRUGS without help and support every day.

You're also assuming he was suffering in some way and that drove him to drugs - news flash - some people just like getting out of their gourd.
 
Dis86 said:
I know this may come as a shock to you but people manage to NOT TAKE DRUGS without help and support every day.

You're also assuming he was suffering in some way and that drove him to drugs - news flash - some people just like getting out of their gourd.
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No that's not shocking, a lot of people have good support systems or have developed non-harmful coping mechanisms, that's why the majority of people don't use drugs to cope. People who don't grow up with those or don't have time to develop them (ie. celebrities who are forced to grow up too fast) tend to be the ones who turn to harmful coping mechanisms like drugs and alcohol.

I'm not making any assumptions, Mac Miller was very open about his issues and drug use. He was addicted to 'lean' (codeine + promethazine) but managed to quit. The problem with people who've had addictions before is that during difficult times in their lives it's easy to relapse and fall back into bad habits. As I mentioned earlier in the thread he went through a pretty bad break up and it seems his mental health has been on the decline since.
 
Dis86 said:
I know this may come as a shock to you but people manage to NOT TAKE DRUGS without help and support every day.

You're also assuming he was suffering in some way and that drove him to drugs - news flash - some people just like getting out of their gourd.
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Indeed, there was a documentary on today about Keith Moon, Keith was a talented drummer but sadly it was all obvious he was a deeply flawed character.
Drink, drugs and carousing was his only offstage pastime, he was bored unless he was playing drums or playing the fool, hedonism
and bacchanalian excess is a sure recipe for an early demise,
 
Never heard of him, but tragic nonetheless.

For Whom the Bell Tolls
by
John Donne
http://www.yourdailypoem.com/listpoem.jsp?poem_id=2119
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
 
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