Mac users' elitism

Jet said:
It's not ok, I don't agree with it, i've already said that but i've played down it's importance. Most videos on the net look terrible in full screen view because of the resolution. You can still stretch the window to fit anywa; you just end up with a smaller screen lol.

I think a DVD player is a lot more important than stretching videos to fit the whole screen, to the average user. Do you disagree? If you could have one or the other which would you choose?
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Apple are pushing their H264 standard and hyping it up that QT can play it etc. so it isn't just low-res videos that QT plays, it's 1920x1080 HD ones as well :) Personally I think QT is a pile of poo anyway, it is sluggish bloatware on both platforms, but I'm just saying.
 
Never used a Mac so I can't **** one off but three questions -

1 - Can viruses be wrote for Macs or doesn't anybody bother?
2 - Do Macs crash?
3 - Is Mac software bug free?
 
you can watch them full screen for free in front row..! hello


front row is build into all macs and uses quick time... so there is no argument
 
dmpoole said:
Never used a Mac so I can't **** one off but three questions -

1 - Can viruses be wrote for Macs or doesn't anybody bother?
2 - Do Macs crash?
3 - Is Mac software bug free?
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1. Yes (but Windows is by far easier to infect)
2. Yes (nothings perfect)
3. No (see above :))
 
dirtydog said:
I believe you can buy the codecs from MS for WMP for a few pounds, and Vista will play DVDs out of the box. Apple obviously made Quicktime crippled deliberately to screw £20 (or $30) out of its users, yes even people who paid all that money for a new Mac.
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So what if its just "a few pounds" to buy the codecs? Most computer users don't know what a codec is, and its a case of endless hours pulling hair out trying to figure out why their ridiculous computer can't even play a DVD.

Quicktime Pro doesn't just enable full screen capabilities (which, as I've said, no one in their right mind would want or need, anyway), so you can't claim Apple crippled the standard version just to screw £20 out of their customers. Funnily enough, it enables professional features which most standard users do not need and I'm sure Apple have reasons to charge for (commercial codecs for encoding, etc.)
 
$loth said:
I think it usually is, many systems i've seen have it bundled. The extra cost is a few quid literally (£2.95 on a competitor website).


So it's not free then, as it's in the cost of the OS. The cost is there, you just can't see it.



PowerDVD comes with many retail dvd drives.
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Fair enough it's cheap but you still have to pay. I haven't had it bundled with 3 systems that i've bought (ages ago though), secondly I've never got it free with any DVD player i've bought (Samsung and NEC). I got it free with an Asus motherboard but it didn't work. It didn't believe me that I had installed it on the computer with the Asus motherboard in. Ended up using VLC everytime.

Windows XP costs £175 and OSX costs £80. So yeah it practically is free.

Either way its a minor point. I think there are loads better reasons for choosing a mac. Just look back through the thread.
 
Al Vallario said:
So what if its just "a few pounds" to buy the codecs? Most computer users don't know what a codec is, and its a case of endless hours pulling hair out trying to figure out why their ridiculous computer can't even play a DVD.

Quicktime Pro doesn't just enable full screen capabilities (which, as I've said, no one in their right mind would want or need, anyway), so you can't claim Apple crippled the standard version just to screw £20 out of their customers. Funnily enough, it enables professional features which most standard users do not need and I'm sure Apple have reasons to charge for (commercial codecs for encoding, etc.)
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Nobody in their right mind would want to play a movie at full screen...hmm okay, I think you might find a few people disagreeing with that but hey :p
 
dirtydog said:
Nobody in their right mind would want to play a movie at full screen...hmm okay, I think you might find a few people disagreeing with that but hey :p
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A movie at full screen?

Frontrow can do that for all common codecs (out of the box)
VLC player (free, of course) can do that for all common codecs
If it's on a DVD, DVD Player.app can do that (out of the box)
 
dirtydog said:
Apple are pushing their H264 standard and hyping it up that QT can play it etc. so it isn't just low-res videos that QT plays, it's 1920x1080 HD ones as well :) Personally I think QT is a pile of poo anyway, it is sluggish bloatware on both platforms, but I'm just saying.
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I didn't say that either program couldn't play high resolution videos :confused:

All i'm saying is that most users won't be playing them.

And I think Quicktime is perfect on Mac. I have had no problem with it. It's better than VLC on Mac that's for sure. It is worse on Windows but that's irrelevant.
 
dirtydog said:
Unless you buy an OEM version of Windows for ~£60...
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Which, to qualify, must be bought with a new computer or qualifying hardware. And how many normal users buy OEM anything? High street shops don't sell it. Plus that entails zero support from Microsoft - bad news for non-techies.

OcUK sell XP Pro for about £95
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OEM though.
 
Jet said:
Which, to qualify, must be bought with a new computer or qualifying hardware.
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Incorrect :) The EULA changed some time ago. You can legally purchase and install it without buying any hardware, not even a mouse.
 
dirtydog said:
You can legally purchase and install it without buying any hardware, not even a mouse.
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But wouldn't comparing retail software to OEM software be akin to comparing full-price hardware to hardware with a Higher Education discount?
 
Al Vallario said:
A movie at full screen?

Frontrow can do that for all common codecs (out of the box)
VLC player (free, of course) can do that for all common codecs
If it's on a DVD, DVD Player.app can do that (out of the box)
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Thankfully someone cleared that up, was getting a bit confusing with the 3 pages of discussion on the above subjects
 
Al Vallario said:
But wouldn't comparing retail software to OEM software be akin to comparing full-price hardware to hardware with a Higher Education discount?
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No because OEM software is available to everyone. HE discount is only available to students :) And of course the OEM software is identical in every way to the retail software, only the license terms differ.
 
dirtydog said:
Incorrect :) The EULA changed some time ago. You can legally purchase and install it without buying any hardware, not even a mouse.
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Fair enough, I didn't know it had changed. The rest of the points apply though. Most users won't want to give up the support/won't even know it exists.

Incidentally, if PowerDVD is bundled with a PC it will be a stripped down version. Lacking sound options as fair as i know. You have to pay to get the full version.
 
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