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There's no solution for pbcakdivine_madness said:
.Mac users' elitism
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Phnom_Penh said:There's no solution for pbcak
I dunno, when you consider the mac user is the only one stupid enough to make comments such as "You only need more RAM because the processor gets too hot"...
Even the girls in my house can overclock (well, now that i've taught them anyway)
Al Vallario said:
In any case if you look at the iMac which is Apple's desktop computer there is nothing comparable in PC world really.
I don't know of any PC's with a similar spec where you can get all the components and monitor into a box that is 5cm thick. What if you need the space? Towers can take up quite a bit of room. Not to mention that my iMac is almost totally silent and a lot cooler meaning lower energy costs.
Asus DRW-1608P3S 16x16 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter (Beige) - Retail(£21.14)
Belinea 102035W 20.1" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black/Silver
(£246.74)
Intel Core 2 DUO E6400 "LGA775 Allendale" 2.13GHz (1066FSB) - Retail
(£152.74)
Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-6400C4 TwinX (2x512MB)
(£108.09)
Abit IL9 Pro (Socket 775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
(£63.44)
Sapphire X1600 Pro 256MB DDR2 AVIVO TV-Out/DVI (PCI-Express) -
(£61.09)
Hitachi Deskstar T7K500 NCQ 250GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM
(£52.86)
Akasa Eclipse 62 Aluminium Case - No PSU
(£103.38)
Akasa AK-P040FG8-BKUK 400W Green Power 80+
(£55.21)
Creative Live! Cam Optia (£10 Cashback)
(£36.41)
Logitech Cordless Desktop S 510 - Black/Silver
(£35.24)
Creative SBS260 2.0 Speakers - OEM
(£9.34)
Logitech USB Desktop Microphone
(£16.39)
Microsoft Windows XP Media Centre 2005 Edition - OEM - 1Pk (M93-00200)
(£77.54)
Belkin 100m Bluetooth USB Adapter (F8T012UK)
(£15.26)
Belkin F5D7000UK 802.11g Wireless PCI Adapter
(£19.92)
Total inc. shipping = £1,104
Apple iMac 20" inc. shipping = £991.70 (not Apple online store, it's down) + about £80 for the wireless keyboard and mouse and better graphics i added
= £1,070
Ignoring the fact that I got higher education discount, all the software that comes with it, the fact I don't have to make it, the fact I get support from Apple, the fact it's quieter, cooler, looks a lot better, takes up less space, has a better operating system (imo), i got an iPod for £100 at the same time and a free printer, etc.
Disadvantages obviously being it's more difficult to upgrade, if it breaks I have to send the whole thing off, etc.
Therefore, I don't see how DD et al think they are eye-wateringly expensive at all
. They may be expensive, more so than the cheapest PC you could build to compete but they are not poor value for money by any stretch of the imagination.Note: all components were taken quickly from overclockers store and won't be perfectly matched because i did it so quick.
Well done for making another ridiculous comparison 
You can get the equivalent spec to the iMac cheaper from Dell or PC superstores etc.
It's gotta be said btw - the iMac is damn ugly. I'd rather have a sleek standalone monitor on my desk than that big white monstrosity thanks.
Incidentally I much prefer the look of the older iMac
You can get the equivalent spec to the iMac cheaper from Dell or PC superstores etc. It's gotta be said btw - the iMac is damn ugly. I'd rather have a sleek standalone monitor on my desk than that big white monstrosity thanks.
Incidentally I much prefer the look of the older iMac
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Ive no real problem with mac users..Steve Jobs on the other hands really gets on my ****. Everything apple does according to jobs is "amazing" and can do no wrong. He goes out of their way to bash ms at every turn yet around 97 MS injected 150 million or so into apple and Jobs made the comment that the era of competition betwen them was over. Without them putting that money in Apple would probably have been sunk long ago.
I also recall the original advert when apple switched to intel cpu's, the ad contained anti pc comments that the intel chip was "trapped" inside "boring grey little boxes".
Funny how that was all edited out a while later as i read that intel objected to it as they previously hadn't seen the full ad with that voiceover in it. Macs may be okay for people not interested in gaming but for anyone that does theyre pretty useless unless xp is loaded onto it.
I also recall the original advert when apple switched to intel cpu's, the ad contained anti pc comments that the intel chip was "trapped" inside "boring grey little boxes".
Funny how that was all edited out a while later as i read that intel objected to it as they previously hadn't seen the full ad with that voiceover in it. Macs may be okay for people not interested in gaming but for anyone that does theyre pretty useless unless xp is loaded onto it.
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Poor upgradibility, poor graphics, no Sata II, etc.Jet said:Disadvantages obviously being it's more difficult to upgrade, if it breaks I have to send the whole thing off, etc.
Therefore, I don't see how DD et al think they are eye-wateringly expensive at all
Note: all components were taken quickly from overclockers store and won't be perfectly matched because i did it so quick.
And 20.1" != 20".
dirtydog said:Well done for making another ridiculous comparison
It's gotta be said btw - the iMac is damn ugly. I'd rather have a sleek standalone monitor on my desk than that big white monstrosity thanks.
Incidentally I much prefer the look of the older iMac
No you can't. You constantly ignore everything you get with a Mac. iSight, Bluetooth, loads of software plus all the other benefits you ignored. Buying from Dell or another manufacturer is even more ridiculous because you lose most of the benefits to building your own PC. Noisy, ugly, less-upgradability, poor components, send the whole thing off for a repair, etc, etc.
You may think the iMac is ugly. Not many others do. Apple sell millions of them and most people love them.
Quote from the Wall Street Journal:
We've been testing this new iMac, and our verdict is that it's the gold standard of desktop PCs. To put it simply: No desktop offered by Dell or Hewlett-Packard or Sony or Gateway can match the new iMac G5's combination of power, elegance, simplicity, ease of use, built-in software, stability and security. From setup to performing the most intense tasks, it's a pleasure to use. And, contrary to common misconceptions, this Mac is competitively priced, when compared with comparably equipped midrange Windows PCs; and it handles all common Windows files, as well as the Internet and email, with aplomb.
CNET:
Apple's Intel-based iMac Core Duo boasts an enviable combination of a first-rate design, an impeccable software bundle, and the newfound ability to run Windows in addition to Mac OS X. You simply won't find a more feature-packed, versatile mainstream computer.
PC Plus:
his machine may feature some interesting new technology, but in reality it’s the same old Apple. The exterior is delightful, and the software is top-notch, so it’s definitely a great first computer.
In every review i've just looked at the iMac gets superb reviews. I'd be happy if you could point me in the direction of a bad one?
You obviously have a grudge or something because you constantly ignore so many arguments.
Phnom_Penh said:
Erm, I said poor upradability and the graphics are identical. Sata II aint important.
Woah 1/10 of an inch bigger. Plus, I didn't mention it's a rubbish monitor and I only picked it because it was one of the cheapest.
divine_madness said:
Obviously a low spec then. Everyone knows that you get 80mm fans or smaller on the CPU, case and PSU with manufactured PC's. Building your own PC gives you more options for keeping it quiet. That's one of the benefits of building your own pc and isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
Hmm, in my experience Dells are quietJet said:
And they are certainly more upgradable than an iMac. Also the prices include onsite warranty by default, although you can delete the option and choose collect-and-return, and get a discount.
Yes that's a real beauty - I don't know why monitor manufacturers persist in making sleek monitors with thin edges when what people really want is a big fat thing like that...
As for nobody else thinking they're ugly... as usual google tells another story
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Sounds like pure drivel.Jet said:
And Gateway?! wtf.
You can't upgrade the graphics in an iMac afaik and X1600's are terrible. If you say so, Sata II seems a hell of a lot better than sata, why not have ata 33 if it's not important?Jet said:
It may be 1/10 of an inch bigger, but it costs plenty more.
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dirtydog said:
well, to be fair, as is my understanding, that has a whole computer in it.
So you then have no need for the huge box on the floor/desk.
I'd rather have thicker edges on my LCD if i could get rid of the huge box sat to my right at the moment.
iMacs are jaw-droppingly beautiful when you see them in the flesh. I am on my second, first was a 20" G5 this one is a 24" Intel and everyday I sit down in front of it it makes me smile. I never get used to how good it looks and how much of a pleasure it is to work on one with OS X.
In fact I love it and want to have its babies.
In fact I love it and want to have its babies.
True, but... isn't that moot for most people? Is having the PC on the floor a problem?divine_madness said:
Having it in the monitor means it has to be fat and ugly. Apple's standalone monitors look sleek and sexy, albeit eye-bleedingly expensive. One of those plus a standalone Mac (like a mini) looks great. But the iMac... eugh.
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Look, I can't afford a Mac so they suck. Alright?!AJUK said:iMacs are jaw-droppingly beautiful when you see them in the flesh. I am on my second, first was a 20" G5 this one is a 24" Intel and everyday I sit down in front of it it makes me smile. I never get used to how good it looks and how much of a pleasure it is to work on one with OS X.
In fact I love it and want to have its babies.
Dirtydog / others: is there any point arguing something subjective like looks? Gl'darnit it's like a playground!
dirtydog said:True, but... isn't that moot for most people? Is having the PC on the floor a problem?
Having it in the monitor means it has to be fat and ugly. Apple's standalone monitors look sleek and sexy, albeit eye-bleedingly expensive. One of those plus a standalone Mac (like a mini) looks great. But the iMac... eugh.
Id say having a massive box in the way of my feet is more of a problem than having an extra 2cm at the edge of your screen, yeah.
I don't like the look of macs, they're ugly. I don't own an iPod as there always have and always will be better DAPs on the market. I don't find iTunes very nice to use. I'd quite like to choose my own hardware, be able to overclock, and generally tinker with the pieces rather than simply the software. I'm not into "media" or "design", I'm into performance and efficiency.
Maybe one day I'll experiment with a dual-boot system, but only if I can overclock it.
Maybe one day I'll experiment with a dual-boot system, but only if I can overclock it.