Mac users' elitism

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Dell - £1492

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Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6600 Processor (2.4GHz, 1066MHz, 4MB)
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Dell™ 20" Black Wide Flat Panel (E207WFP) - UK/Irish
2048MB Dual Channel DDR2 667MHz [2x1024] Memory
500GB Serial ATA RAID 0 Stripe [2x250GB 7200rpm drives with DataBurst™ cache]
16x DVD +/- RW Drive
256MB nVidia® GeForce® 7900GS graphics card
Accessories
Creative X-Fi Soundcard
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Mouse Included in Wireless Keyboard and Mouse option
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Integrated Analogue TV tuner PCI card and Dell™ MCE remote control
Belkin F5D7050 Wireless USB Adapter (802.11g)
Services & Software
Free Upgrade to McAfee® Security Centre™ 36-month Protection
Microsoft® Works 8 - English

Apple - £1476

* 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
* ATI Radeon X1600 with 256MB VRAM
* 500GB Serial ATA drive
* Keyboard (English) & Mighty Mouse + Mac OS X (English)
* Country kit
* Country kit
* 20-inch TFT display
* 8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
* AirPort Extreme
* Bluetooth 2.0
 
dirtydog said:
It's more like five inches at the bottom of the screen isn't it? :p

My PC is nowhere near my feet. I suggest getting a bigger desk - or a bigger room ;)
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2 inches, at a push, on a 20" model, nowhere near 5 :p

See, I don't see moving house a practical solution to that problem :p
 
dirtydog said:
Hmm, in my experience Dells are quiet :) And they are certainly more upgradable than an iMac. Also the prices include onsite warranty by default, although you can delete the option and choose collect-and-return, and get a discount.

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Yes that's a real beauty - I don't know why monitor manufacturers persist in making sleek monitors with thin edges when what people really want is a big fat thing like that...

As for nobody else thinking they're ugly... as usual google tells another story :)
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It's a known fact that PC manufacturers use smaller fans because they use smaller cases. A smaller fan means it has to spin faster and makes more noise. There is no opinion about it. If you build your own computer you have the option of using larger fans/watercooling or whatever, you don't get that option with Dell or any other brands :).

I didn't say it wasn't more upgradable than an iMac. It is but not as upgradable as a self-built one. Buy a Dell and expect a no-name power supply and unusual motherboard, etc. PC manufacturers cut corners to keep costs down, another fact, not opinion.

Fair enough about the warranty, the multitude of other arguments still apply though. And fair enough you don't like the look but millions disagree and I think you will find you're in the minority.

Google search "iMac ugly"

http://forums.appleinsider.com/archive/index.php/t-3292.html

I can't be bothered to post the rest of the links but hardly anyone says its ugly.

Critics regard Ive's work as being among the best in industrial design, and his team's products have repeatedly won awards such as the Industrial Designers Society of America's Industrial Design Excellence Award.

And they're all wrong too?

Fiar enough you don't like it, that's your opinion. I get the feeling you just want a computer to be functional, that's fine, but I demand a little more from my money in the modern age :).

Sounds like pure drivel.

And Gateway?! wtf.
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It's not my quote, and it's from the US.

You can't upgrade the graphics in an iMac afaik and X1600's are terrible. If you say so, Sata II seems a hell of a lot better than sata, why not have ata 33 if it's not important?

It may be 1/10 of an inch bigger, but it costs plenty more.
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I didn't say you could upgrade the graphics in the iMac and I know it isn't a good graphics card but that isn't it's function and no-one in this thread has said otherwise. And I don't think that the interface of the hard-drive is that important tbh, not in the grand scheme of things.

It doesn't cost more at all. Looking at just OcUK and you can see that 20" exactly are more expensive than 20.1.
 
Jet said:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/archive/index.php/t-3292.html

I can't be bothered to post the rest of the links but hardly anyone says its ugly.

Critics regard Ive's work as being among the best in industrial design, and his team's products have repeatedly won awards such as the Industrial Designers Society of America's Industrial Design Excellence Award.
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Would you buy a standalone monitor that looked like the current model iMac? Honestly? :) (btw, the link you posted refers to the previous gen iMac, which I personally think looks fine.)

Oh re Dells and noise, ask people who have used them and they will tell you they are quiet.


Fiar enough you don't like it, that's your opinion. I get the feeling you just want a computer to be functional, that's fine, but I demand a little more from my money in the modern age :).
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No, if I was spending £800+ on a new computer, I would expect it to look stylish as well.

JonB said:
Read what i put again....
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I was being a grammar Nazi :)
 
BoomAM said:
That has got to be one of the most lop-sided & worst comparisons ive ever seen.
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Not really, he was complaining about the screen size being only 13.3" when you can get a bigger one for less. Well if the price of a macbook is £749 for only 13.3" then £1499 for 11.1" must be insanely over priced, by his standards....


...I then went on to say, that it costs more to put things in a smaller box, hence why the macbook is more expensive than other, similarly powerful, 15" models
 
Jet said:
Google search "iMac ugly"

http://forums.appleinsider.com/archive/index.php/t-3292.html

I can't be bothered to post the rest of the links but hardly anyone says its ugly.

Critics regard Ive's work as being among the best in industrial design, and his team's products have repeatedly won awards such as the Industrial Designers Society of America's Industrial Design Excellence Award.

And they're all wrong too?
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What? An opinion can be wrong? A matter of taste can be wrong?

You like it, some people don't - it's no big deal.

The proper arguments for and against iMacs are based objectively on their functionality and useability. You can let your opinion on the looks sway your choice of purchase, but I can't see how you can debate it! :p
 
dirtydog said:
Would you buy a standalone monitor that looked like the current model iMac? Honestly? :) (btw, the link you posted refers to the previous gen iMac, which I personally think looks fine.)

Oh re Dells and noise, ask people who have used them and they will tell you they are quiet.



No, if I was spending £800+ on a new computer, I would expect it to look stylish as well.


I was being a grammar Nazi :)
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That means there are even less entries on google about the new one. Links to the opinions that it is "ugly"?

Of course I wouldn't buy a stand-alone monitor that was 5cm thick because there would be no explanation for the case size. I know that mine has a full computer in it and looking at it straight on you can't even tell.

In looking at the previous iMac would you buy a stand-alone monitor that looked like that? I know I wouldn't. If no, what exactly is your point?

What has the name of the manufacturer got to do with how noisy the PC is. They are limited to the laws of physics. Smaller fans = more noise. It may not be "noisy" but it will be louder than a self-built PC where you have the choise of fans, heatsinks. You can't argue against that (doesn't stop you trying) it's a fact.
 
p4radox said:
What? An opinion can be wrong? A matter of taste can be wrong?

You like it, some people don't - it's no big deal.

The proper arguments for and against iMacs are based objectively on their functionality and useability. You can let your opinion on the looks sway your choice of purchase, but I can't see how you can debate it! :p
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He started it :( (maybe).

This whole thread is about Mac v PC in a broad sense; to the average user. Not what DD thinks personally and i've tried to form my arguments like that. In my opinion the majority of the world like the iMac, that's all i'm saying.
 
Jet said:
In looking at the previous iMac would you buy a stand-alone monitor that looked like that? I know I wouldn't. If no, what exactly is your point?
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No, but it is a sight better looking, and better proportioned than the newer model :) That is my point. I wouldn't buy any computer which had the monitor built into it. Imagine, when the machine is outdated, you have to throw away or sell the whole thing - you can't keep the monitor to use on your next machine.
 
dirtydog said:
Would you buy a standalone monitor that looked like the current model iMac? Honestly? :) (btw, the link you posted refers to the previous gen iMac, which I personally think looks fine.)

Oh re Dells and noise, ask people who have used them and they will tell you they are quiet.



No, if I was spending £800+ on a new computer, I would expect it to look stylish as well.


I was being a grammar Nazi :)
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Actually have a high spec Dell here and it's noisy as hell. Asking people if they'd buy a standalone monitor if it looked like an iMac is quite a retarded question. Because it 'isn't' a standalone monitor, it's a computer? You wouldn't spend money on a 24" iMac when you get get a decent 32" HDTV for the same price if you wanted a standalone screen.

It is only your opinion that you think they look ugly, I think they look pretty awesome in the flesh, though the 17" version seems to have a bit of a chin. Tbh if they were really that bad Apple wouldn't have a market share.
 
Jet said:
What has the name of the manufacturer got to do with how noisy the PC is. They are limited to the laws of physics. Smaller fans = more noise. It may not be "noisy" but it will be louder than a self-built PC where you have the choise of fans, heatsinks. You can't argue against that (doesn't stop you trying) it's a fact.
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You told me Dells were noisy. I informed you that they are not. I am right, you are wrong, what more can I say? :)
 
jidh007 said:
Actually have a high spec Dell here and it's noisy as hell. Asking people if they'd buy a standalone monitor if it looked like an iMac is quite a retarded question.
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Not at all. If the iMac looks sexy and sleek which we are told it does, then why wouldn't people buy it as a standalone monitor? :p Oh yes - because it IS ugly... :)
 
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