Magic Earth Pro - Navigation on Android and iPhone (formerly Route 66 Navigate)

Google's search and POI database are certainly superior to Navigate. Navigate's POI search uses Tomtom data and it's simply not as good as Google in that respect. Also Navigate relies on fairly infrequent mapping updates from Tomtom where as Google's map corrections are live within a few weeks (Tomtom's own app also suffers in this respect).

It's horses for courses. If I want to search for a place with which I am not familiar and be taken directly to the car park or front door Google is more suitable (actually I'd use Navigon but that also incorporates Google search and POIs). For a traffic avoicance tool, including familiar places, I'd use Navigate.

The difference in Naivgate's favour is in the fine detail of the routing. Google retains a preference for main roads and will practcally never deviate onto side roads to get around traffic until you're close to your destination. It essentially gets fairly coarse route options from Google's servers and will not deviate from those options even if all options have traffic (although it will re-route if it detects a faster route among its coarse options). By comparison, Navigate gives you an entirely bespoke fastest route, based on current dynamic traffic conditions. If all the usual routes have traffic it still finds a route that weaves in, out, through and past them, only placing you in the thick of it if there is really an unavoidable bottleneck. For the difference to be apparrent to the average user, the traffic **** has to hit the fan though. Navigate does for me what Waze promised, but has so far failed to do, providing the best routes through congested areas with which I am familiar. It surpasses what I can do with local knowledge. Tomtom's own app already did this considerably better than Google, while generally using a similar route options based approach.

Navigate takes the same Tomtom data, but takes advantage of the computing power of current smartphones to give routing with unrivalled precision. That's not to say Google couldn't do this in future. A working combination of Waze's routing engine and reported incidents with Google's traffic flow data might achieve this. It seems that Google are treading carefully around anti-trust applications, otherwise they have the technology and data available to match Navigate's routing.

The other thing that would vastly improve Waze, Google Nav, Tomtom and Navigate is full incorporation of Elgin's www.roadworks.org portal data. This has info on local roadworks including closures from the vast majority of UK local authorities. Google already has some agreement with Elgin (they supply them their traffic flow data) but Elgin's roadworks info hasn't made it into a smaptphone navigation product AFAIK. It is shown in Inrix's traffic app but this doesn't include turn by turn navigation.
 
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I am reluctant to deviate from Google navigation Tbh

All these packages are quite expensive with yearly costs it seems
They also are often not ideal

I miss some things from Google like
traffic cameras
Re routing is definitely not good

But I find the traffic accuracy and ETA almost bang on most times
If it handled traffic better it would be a lot better. It has the data available which I would have thought was the hardest task for most!

Only a handful of times have I had a reroute. And sometimes wanted one and known one was available but nothing indicated
The times it did do it were all correct

But yeah, overall I'm not willing to pay a yearly subscription for not too much more
I always liked navigon when I used a standalone device

With map updates and traffic costing per year often I'm happy to use Google. A fewiimprovements would be a gods send
 
I'm willing to pay for something that will save me time. I have an hourly rate and work flexitime with an overtime option. If I get to work earlier, it's hours in the bank and money in my pocket. On that basis, Navigate will have paid for itself many times over for me (compared to Google Nav) during the course of a year.
 
Speaking of Google Nav, a huge update today which adds new stuff.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...guidance-in-navigation-and-more-apk-download/

I'd feel sour if I had paid for a nav app only for Google to go ahead and release big updates like this not long after and because of that I think I'll still remain a Google Nav user.

I was once a bit of a Google Nav devotee and basically regarded it as Android's killer app. Google can be relied upon to keep updating it and I have no doubt that it will continue to improve.

However, I've learned not to make decisions based on promised features. I go with what works now.

Google may well release an update that will allow the routing and traffic avoidance to outperform Route 66 Navigate in future. No big deal for me. I just won't renew the traffic subscription when it next comes up.

To demonstrate the routing differences without people having to install apps, you can pretty much preview the routing in either Navigate or Google Nav.

Navigate uses Tomtom's mapping and traffic data. It's practically functionally identical and in fact Navigate has routing and traffic avoidance behaviour closer to Tomtom's website than their own app. So you can plot a route here and get a good idea of what Navigate will do: http://routes.tomtom.com (only 1 route show though - Navigate gives up to 3 options)

Likewise, Google maps gives a pretty decent preview of Google Nav's routing and traffic avoidance. Just turn on the traffic layer and plot some routes through traffic. You will see options given for different routes. Google nav keeps checking against these route options for faster routes based on current traffic and will switch if a significantly faster route is detected. The route options are always determined from current position, rather than point of origin though - so further detour options open up as you drive. https://maps.google.co.uk/

In terms of the traffic information, both options are market leaders. Here's a recent study into the accuracy of Tomtom and Google traffic information: http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitst...qdCAAAAvmdWVA==&bcsi_scan_filename=102984.pdf The study doesn't deal with traffic avoidance, and for that, Tomtom (and Navigate) are far more sophisticated. Note: Google gets a higher rating for accuracy on side streets than Tomtom. This is probably because Google shows all traffic detected. Tomtom doesn't show traffic that's normal for the time of day. Hence, it doesn't show regular slow downs for junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights etc - even though the data is there and taken account of for the routing algorithm. From directly comparing Tomtom's Android app with Navigate, it appears that this data is shown in Navigate. It's a mixed blessing. Navigate 'shows' more jams than Tomtom but equally gets more false positives.
 
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There is one other aspect of this which is important to me personally. I do not like Google collecting even more info about me and in this case location of places I visit and driving habits. They already have too much and even though they say it is all anonymous I am sure NSA can get all they want from Google. It is scary because even though I don't have big secrets there is no way to know what's going to be important in the future and who's going to look at this data.
Route 66 is Swiss and TomTom is Dutch.
 
There is one other aspect of this which is important to me personally. I do not like Google collecting even more info about me and in this case location of places I visit and driving habits. They already have too much and even though they say it is all anonymous I am sure NSA can get all they want from Google. It is scary because even though I don't have big secrets there is no way to know what's going to be important in the future and who's going to look at this data.
Route 66 is Swiss and TomTom is Dutch.

If you are worried about that you probably don't want a smartphone :-P
 
Speaking of Google Nav, a huge update today which adds new stuff.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...guidance-in-navigation-and-more-apk-download/

I'd feel sour if I had paid for a nav app only for Google to go ahead and release big updates like this not long after and because of that I think I'll still remain a Google Nav user.

That's what I feel with it. My route to work is never a problem so I use it when I go to other business sites or leisure. Traffic being free is the biggest perk

That's a good update and 2 things I wanted. All the measures at the bottom and traffic without zooming out.
 
As far as I can tell, the average android user running Route 66 or Tomtom is giving out location information to a bunch of companies.

Google lets you opt out - but then a bunch of stuff stops working.
Tomtom lets you opt out but then Live Traffic won't work for you.
Route 66 has no opt out, except for not agreeing to the EULA in the first place.

To be frank, I don't really care. I'm just happy to make use of both Google and Tomtom's services. I'm willing to trade a bit of privacy for the convenience they give in return. Maybe it'll come back to bite me. It's a risk I'm willing to take.
 
As far as I can tell, the average android user running Route 66 or Tomtom is giving out location information to a bunch of companies.

Google lets you opt out - but then a bunch of stuff stops working.
Tomtom lets you opt out but then Live Traffic won't work for you.
Route 66 has no opt out, except for not agreeing to the EULA in the first place.

To be frank, I don't really care. I'm just happy to make use of both Google and Tomtom's services. I'm willing to trade a bit of privacy for the convenience they give in return. Maybe it'll come back to bite me. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

I dont worry. If they really need to know whether in at work or home during the week they can toss a coin lol
PayPal have my cc details etc no different to that imo
 
I tried Navigate for my 5 mile drive to work directly through central London at 10am this morning. It was a catastrophe. I typically stick to Embankment all the way from Wapping to Temple, then straight line it up to Camden Town high street (Office) - straight forward, traffic filled, usually takes 30-40 minutes at that time, traffic all the way.

I gave Navigate the benefit of the doubt on a number decisions to see where it would take me - all of them ended in disaster. On three separate occasions it told me to turn down closed roads (2 were fully built-up building sites - both at least 3 months old - the other was a temporary day closure for works). Eventually it got me onto my typical route after taking me round the houses via bank, cannon street etc. It took me 1 hr 15 mins and I promptly uninstalled it when I got to work. Back to Google Maps.
 
I gave Navigate the benefit of the doubt on a number decisions to see where it would take me - all of them ended in disaster. On three separate occasions it told me to turn down closed roads (2 were fully built-up building sites - both at least 3 months old - the other was a temporary day closure for works). Eventually it got me onto my typical route after taking me round the houses via bank, cannon street etc. It took me 1 hr 15 mins and I promptly uninstalled it when I got to work. Back to Google Maps.

Therein lies Navigate's biggest weakness as well as one of its biggest strengths: its reliance on Tomtom data. While Tomtoms' traffic flow data is second to none the following are issues:

- Maps are updated quarterly or less - not quickly enough to incorporate temporary changes.
- HD Traffic doesn't usually include closure details for local roads.

The combination of out of date map info and incomplete traffic data is a potential nightmare. I've been lucky in that it's only occasionally sent me towards closed roads. Thankfully closures on motorways and major A roads are usually correct.

By comparison this is a strength of Google's. They implement map changes far faster than Tomtom and this enables them to include longer term temporary closures in map changes.
 
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The other thing that would vastly improve Waze, Google Nav, Tomtom and Navigate is full incorporation of Elgin's www.roadworks.org portal data. This has info on local roadworks including closures from the vast majority of UK local authorities. Google already has some agreement with Elgin (they supply them their traffic flow data) but Elgin's roadworks info hasn't made it into a smaptphone navigation product AFAIK. It is shown in Inrix's traffic app but this doesn't include turn by turn navigation.

I agree, this would be wonderful.

Have any of you used the new Garmin Viago app?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.garmin.android.apps.viago
(v1678)

https://itunes.apple.com/app/garmin-viago/id853603997
(v1.0)

Also, how does it compare to the Navkit-based TomTom GO Mobile app ('TomTom GPS Navigation Traffic') that Uriel has detailed ( http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18601026 ):

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tomtom.gplay.navapp
(v1.02)

not yet released for iOS
 
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The Garmin Viago app says it's incompatible with my devices (Motorola Defy+ and Xiaomi Mi2S) on Google Play.

Garmin also own Navigon and their app uses Inrix traffic in the UK. The traffic on Navigon is restricted to the TMC road network though, which usually means A Road and motorway coverage only. The screenshot of live traffic speeds on the Viago app Play store screen appears to suggest that it might be using the same sort of system. Inrix's own XD Traffic has more coverage (and includes roadworks.org data in the uk) but it doesn't look like it's been incorporated into a navigation app yet.

Tomtom Go still hasn't been released outside of Italy.

Edit: In other news, Route 66 Navigate seems not to have had a map update since October. This is starting to get more noticeable where road layouts have changed.
 
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The Garmin one is pointless. By the time you have added the in app purchases to get it up to spec you may have well just bought a standalone nav given the cost.
 
Since the last update Google Navigation is easily the best I have used. Traffic is excellent and it is intelligent in knowing normal traffic flows, especially with regards to junctions.

The redirection information is very well implemented.

Sygic trafgic expired for me last month and it had become absolutely awful in calculating ETAs for routes. I think I've mentioned the flaws Sygic has with regards to traffic.
 
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Since the last update Google Navigation is easily the best I have used. Traffic is excellent and it is intelligent in knowing normal traffic flows, especially with regards to junctions.

The redirection information is very well implemented.

I've had a play with Route 66 Navigate vs Google Nav recently but only for route planning. Route 66 Navigate is still a little more ready to divert off a usual main route but Google has got better than it was at suggesting traffic avoiding routes initially.

How are route changes while driving implemented now on Google Nav? Is it completely hands free or do you have to press to select a proposed alternative route?

If Route 66 don't come up with a map update soon, I can see myself resorting to Google in some areas. It's still got the same map I downloaded in October and the lack of updates is gettting increasingly noticeable.
 
I've had a play with Route 66 Navigate vs Google Nav recently but only for route planning. Route 66 Navigate is still a little more ready to divert off a usual main route but Google has got better than it was at suggesting traffic avoiding routes initially.

How are route changes while driving implemented now on Google Nav? Is it completely hands free or do you have to press to select a proposed alternative route?

If Route 66 don't come up with a map update soon, I can see myself resorting to Google in some areas. It's still got the same map I downloaded in October and the lack of updates is gettting increasingly noticeable.



The New Maps update added some cool re-route features. It is semi hands free in that if Google finds a faster route on your current route, or if traffic builds up and an alternative will save you a few minutes then the voice will say "A faster route has been found, tap to confirm" or words to that effect. I had this in London a few weeks ago when there was traffic and saw on-screen that the new route was overlayed with a box showing minutes saved, was 15 minutes :D
 
Fully automated and hands free rerouting is still a big plus for me.

So far, that's Waze, M8, Tomtom, Route 66 Navigate, Navigon and MapQuest that I'm aware of. Of these, only Tomtom and Route 66 have good enough traffic information to avoid sending you out of the frying pan into the fire.

Edit: On R66 Nav you can chose between getting it to ask you and fully automated. With fully automated it still tells you it's found a faster route saving xx minutes and a map showing the diverging routes is presented on screen. It then counts down about 20 seconds. With fully automated it will automatically select the faster route. You can opt to tap to confirm too.

By comparison Tomtom just makes a barely audible noise, flashes up a small message briefly on screen, and changes route in the background when automated. This can lead to the odd missed turn because you didn't notice it's diverted. It has a semi-automated mode too but I've not actually used it.
 
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