Major accident in GT support race

Agree with the comments above re marshalls (I'm a Rally Marshall). Having said that, from the photos it was clear the driver was hanging out of the car, it's not so clear in the video from the angle it's taken. If the driver was visibly hanging out and the fire was blowing away from that side, I might have had a go at pulling him out. Personally if it was a few burns vs someone dead, I'd probably have a go - but thats just me.

I've seen quite a few photos on the net of Gallardos burning on the side of roads, not after crashes either. Do they have some inherant problems in this area?

Googling 'gallardo fire' pulls up quite a few articles.
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&sour...=g2g-m1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=8dfe7bd85e2b28ee
 
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1: That car did seem to disintegrate too easily.
2: That barrier could be straight all down there and not angled on the exit.
3: It lit up like a bonfire dowsed in petrol.
4: The protective driver cell section did not stop him flapping about outside the car.

1. yes, but then again its supposed to do that, its how it dissipates the energy and protects the driver.

2. it seems the area the car hit exacerbated the ferocity of the crash and maybe the circuit can look in to it. looked like it was the removable area to get stricken cars off the grid, but i don't know Brno so i maybe wrong.

3. it WAS a bonfire dowsed in fuel! sometimes, no matter how hard you try to design it not to, a car will spill fuel in a crash. thankfully it doesn't happen very often, but see the Ginetta crashes for Hunter Abbott and Carl Breeze at Oulton for examples of when a biggie does and does not result in a fire.

4. agreed, looks like the top mountings for the harness failed. i'd hope lamborghini take a good look at that car & find out why to avoid a repeat occurrence. HANS devices are useless if not held by the harness and it doesn't take much to detach a skull from the spine when carrying the weight of a helmet...
 
I think I know roadcars that are safer than that, fully prepped race car. The amount of damage sustained to that car in an impact lasting less than 1 second is incredible!
 
another, better video of the response to the incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=PAgFK5M2PRM

Even taking into account its sometimes hard to keep a clear head when something unexpected happens like this, those first uniformed responders who look the part for dealing with this, appear to completely lack any proper drill on how to handle it, which could have been done better tho hindsight as they say is 20:20... but the apparent lack of drill results in 3-4 risking their lives when they didn't need to and shouldn't have needed to so under the circumstances I have a hard time to call them on being stupid - the guy on the right can't even see through the fire, has no protection and is downwind in the full force of it and as you can see from the other guys reactions its extremely hot but he stays there aslong as he could to keep pumping spray into the drivers compartment from the other side.
 
I'm not a marshal but I have been to enough motorsport and seen enough incidents, some as bad and worse than this at first hand to know when an incident is well handled. I'm sorry Mr Marshal but it's not an afront to the marshals to suggest it maybe could have handled better nor should you suggest it is so or critacise those who dare to question it. It's from such incidents that lessons are learnt after all. While far from being to 60's standards I still feel there are areas that were poorly handled from what was a very nasty and irregular incident, perhaps in these times a freak incident. Marshals do a great job but can only work with the tools and skills they are given and we all know how standards vary with territory.
 
Firstly, what type of training or experience do any of you have to qualify you on commenting on how this incident was handled? I’ve worked as a marshal for over 6 years including a year or so in pit lane and I cannot see why the marshals are being so heavily criticised.

The first rule of handling any incident, no matter how big or small, is look after yourself before anyone else. Secondly, look after your fellow marshals. Third, the driver and finally those expensive metal bits that just visited your sector. In a fire that size, as hard as it might be to do, under no circumstances should anyone be going gung-ho in to the car and be a hero to drag a driver out. One casualty is bad enough without adding to them by some ill-considered rash decision to put your own life at risk.

The AMR guy should be both applauded for his sterling efforts and reprimanded for his stupidity. Anyone having been to a fire that size would known how hot it would have felt from the pit wall let alone the car itself. I’d be amazed if he didn’t sustain injuries himself, but what good would he have been had he not managed to drag the driver clear so quickly? I dread to think how bad his injuries could have been, at least the driver has nomex to help him survive at least a short time in such a fire.

The entire car was covered in flame, including spilt fuel on the circuit that would have hindered getting to the car in the first place. They probably didn’t even know which end of the car the driver was in following the collision so I don’t blame them one minute for trying to put the fire on the car out to start with. Once you can see what you are doing you can have a better chance of getting the driver out. The driver could have been trapped, so putting the whole car out until you at least know where the driver is and making it safe has to be the first priority.

It seemed most of the extinguishers were AFFF (aqueous film forming foam) which can put a fire that big out, but only when a lot is deployed. Powder would have knocked the fire down quicker with just the hand held bottles. Not sure why they didn’t have any powder bottles, might be the circuit doesn’t use them or they simply were not the 1st to hand. Either way they used what they had available and did a good job until backup arrived. Getting thru barriers like that, with various bottles and protective equipment on, is not easy. Likewise you wouldn’t expect people to jump the barrier until the racing had been neutralised – again looking after your safety before trying to help the unfortunate driver.

I don’t expect everyone to agree with this post, but all I ask is that if you feel so strongly against these views then please feel free to volunteer as a marshal so you can experience first hand what its really like to be on the front line. Its not as clear cut and easy as you might think…

http://www.marshals.co.uk/

They were slow arriving. Is that also part of race mashal training?
 
Something similar happened at the Indycar last weekend.


Indy marshalls are normally pretty good, but that was pretty pathetic. Also worrying that the head restraint padding which has to be removed to get out, seemed to not be that easy to remove.
 
Again a poor performance. The marshals seemed to appear very quickly actually but without fire retardation capabilities from what I can tell, surely they were not simply ignoring the fire, so one assumes they had no extinguishers. I think they were their very quickly actually, just didn't do much until truck 2 pitched up.
 
My Respect goes to the Two guys that got the door open & pulled the driver out, Kudos to them.
I wish the driver a quick & full recovery but was a bit surprised one of the other drivers didn't stop & get involved as they are wearing fire suits.
 
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