Major problems - All gone wrong now. Help!

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Hi Folks,

(Mod I do not know where to post this thread so I posted here in seek of advice urgently.)

I need your help as I have been trying to get my new build to work for more than a week now. I would greatly appreciate if you could explain in detail (down to minor detail) as to the steps I should take. Please assume you are teaching someone with no PC building knowledge.

As this is my first build please help me by providing exact explanation or as clearly as possible by not ignoring or assuming that I know the process of installation. Each time when I encountered a certain jargon I had to do plenty of reading before I proceed and so far I have been having sleepless night ...

My first attempt to build my system has encountered major problem now and I will explain below.

This is my sepc:

1) Win 7 Home 64bits.
2) Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2
3) 80GB Intel SSD.
4) Corsair H50 water cool
5) Lian Li V351R case.

Intention of my build.

1) 1st disk - 80GB Intel SSD - mainly for Win 7 64bits OS only.
2) 2nd disk - 1TB Samsung F3 - not connect up yet - this drive will be used for data storage or perhaps future dual boot with Linux.

My progress so far (not connected to internet yet):

1) All hardware in place.
2) SSD set to AHCI.
3) H50 installed appropriately (reading from BIOS CPU temp is around 28C - 30C)
4) H50 fan - from BIOS reading is around 1092 ~RPM.
5) Installed Win 7 64bits.
6) Installed Office package.

5) Downloaded mobo drivers (Version 1.1 - the latest) to USB stick from Gigabyte website as I was advised the CD/DVD might be old.

The following major problems have surfaced now:

1) while updating drivers my first attempt to extract zip (USB stick straight to C: by clicking Setup on the .exe file - i.e. not extract to C: then double clicked on Setup) went wrong as one of the file was not extracted properly so I reinstalled, many times, on all of them again so I am not sure the present problem I have now is related.

2) System hang many times but eventually it repaired and I was able to log on to Windows.

3) Today it hang again so I reinstalled all the mobo drivers as it was only displaying the Window 7boot page but not going further.

4) After reinstalling all the downloaded mobo drivers ... it eventually starts to boot up properly but then more problems encountered:

4i) now whenever I am in Windows I always get this message:

"Do you want to allow the following programme to make changes to this computer?

Gigabyte RAID configurer
JMicron Technology Crop
Hard drive on this computer"

I have to click "No" but each time when I boot into Windows the same message appear.

5) I noticed one of the case fan (Akasa Apache 120mm) 4 pins connected to the SYS_FAN header is not spinning at all so I thought it was normal since the temperate might be low so I let it be. The other fan (same model) for the H50 is spinning slowly and it is connected to the CPU_FAN.

So I thought I should check the temperature and I entered BIOS - PC Health Status - only to notice that the CPU fan is spinning but not the System Fan which I have connected to one of the case fan.

Then I thought I needed to enabled all features available for the fans and I did this:

- CPU warning temperature [80C/176F]
- CPU Fan Fail Warning [Enabled]
- System FAN Fail Warning [Enabled]
- CPU Smart Fan Control [Enabled]
- CPU Smart Fan mode [PWM]

Restart / reboot ...

Now, the computer keep giving me loud buzzing warning sound and I immediately disabled and enabled the above CPU & Fan control accordingly to find the problem and I found ... the problem coming from the "0" RPM speed of the System FAN ... i.e. when I disabled System FAN Fail Warning the buzzing stopped. So I know this is the problem but not sure how to solve it since the mobo should be able to run the fan.

Help and advice please on the above or the followings:

1) How to solve/get rid of the "JMicron Technology Corp" popping up each time I am in Windows?

2) How to solve/get rid of the SYS_FAN buzzing noise as it is not doing it's job at the moment because the fan is not spinning? It tried to spin occasionally but failed.

3) How to make sure all the mobo chipset drivers are installed properly?

4) Do I need to rebuild the system from scratch again?

Please help ....

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oki dokies, sounds like you're in a pickle. Here are my thoughts:

1. This is fairly simple. Click yes instead of no. (or allow instead of disallow, or whatever it is). This is just windows user acount control, which is probably one of the most pedantic programs ever known to man, and will halt you with one of these messages to confirm just about every action you make. in windows 7, this can be turned off by going to control panel>user accounts and family safety>User accounts>change user account control setting>slide the slider all the way down to the bottom and hit apply. For the sake of your sanity, i would suggest turning it off :p

2. If you've enabled the system fan fail warning, and your system fan aint spinning, its gonna buzz at you. disable this option and it wont buzz at you any more (all the buzzing is doing is telling you that the system fan aint working, and you already know that). In reagrds to actually making it spin, im not to sure. It could be a dodgy header, it could be the pwm is set up wrong. Im not sure what setting you have, so you may have to so some reading on this one, but try setting the start temperature as low as it will go, and the "fan start value" as high as it will go, and see if it spins then.

3. pass... the only thing i can think to say is that if windows detected everything right when it was installed, then dont bother with updated chipset drivers. Im sure someone else can say something useful here.

4. You shouldnt need to build the system again, unless the fan header IS broken and you want a replacement motherboard. aside from that, worst case scenario is that you'll have to reinstall windows again.

food for thought :)
 
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thingemajib said:
oki dokies, sounds like you're in a pickle. Here are my thoughts:

1. This is fairly simple. Click yes instead of no. (or allow instead of disallow, or whatever it is). This is just windows user acount control, which is probably one of the most pedantic programs ever known to man, and will halt you with one of these messages to confirm just about every action you make. in windows 7, this can be turned off by going to control panel>user accounts and family safety>User accounts>change user account control setting>slide the slider all the way down to the bottom and hit apply. For the sake of your sanity, i would suggest turning it off :p

But I am not connected the SATA SSD to any of the JMicron Tech corps connector.

So if I click "yes" does that mean it will apply JMicron Tech corps connectors? I do not want JMicron Tech corps.

2. If you've enabled the system fan fail warning, and your system fan aint spinning, its gonna buzz at you. disable this option and it wont buzz at you any more (all the buzzing is doing is telling you that the system fan aint working, and you already know that). In reagrds to actually making it spin, im not to sure. It could be a dodgy header, it could be the pwm is set up wrong. Im not sure what setting you have, so you may have to so some reading on this one, but try setting the start temperature as low as it will go, and the "fan start value" as high as it will go, and see if it spins then.

The PWM fan is connected to the 4 pins SYS_FAN so it should be working but it is not. Would it be mobo defect? or this is a damage mobo?

3. pass... the only thing i can think to say is that if windows detected everything right when it was installed, then dont bother with updated chipset drivers. Im sure someone else can say something useful here.

Okay ... let's see if someone could help on this problem.

4. You shouldnt need to build the system again, unless the fan header IS broken and you want a replacement motherboard. aside from that, worst case scenario is that you'll have to reinstall windows again.

Arrgghhh ... I hope the mobo is not the problem as I need to get this PC up and working but worst case scenario I will just have to return it if this is the problem.

food for thought :)

Cheers. Could you confirm question 1 please.
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p/s: At the moment I Cannot shut down my PC as it keeps rebooting again and again each time I shut it down ... any idea?
 
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Just because you're not using the jmicron controller, doesnt mean windows wont detect it and attempt to install the drivers for it. So, basically, yes
it will activate the jmicron controller, but you ssd/hdd will still function through the intel chipset/drivers without any performance/compatability issues.

There may be a way to completely disable the jmicron controller in the bios (that way, windows wont detect it at all). I will take a pokey at your manual and report back in a bit to see if thats possible.

Again, with your fan, the header on the motherboard may be broken, or the pwm may be set wrong. Like i said, ill do some reading on your board to help me help you :)
Just to rule it out, have you tried swapping the fans around (i doubt it would be the actual fan that is broke, but you never know...)
 
thingemajib said:
Just because you're not using the jmicron controller, doesnt mean windows wont detect it and attempt to install the drivers for it. So, basically, yes
it will activate the jmicron controller, but you ssd/hdd will still function through the intel chipset/drivers without any performance/compatability issues.

I will wait for further confirmation from you before I click "Yes" as I do not want JMicron to take over my system later on when I add another HDD.

There may be a way to completely disable the jmicron controller in the bios (that way, windows wont detect it at all). I will take a pokey at your manual and report back in a bit to see if thats possible.

Yes, I keep reading the manual but rather confusing if I may say so. I will wait for further confirmation from you.

Again, with your fan, the header on the motherboard may be broken, or the pwm may be set wrong. Like i said, ill do some reading on your board to help me help you :)

I just set the fan to PWM in BIOS and also System FAN Fail warning [enabled] ... so not sure what has gone wrong.

Just to rule it out, have you tried swapping the fans around (i doubt it would be the actual fan that is broke, but you never know...)

I will try to swap fan later to check if the same problem happens.
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p/s: I have just connected the fan to molex 3 pins and it is spinning but it does not work when connected directly to the 4 pin header SYS_FAN

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right, i have done some digging, and found ... stuff.

i see what you mean with the manual being confusing, but as far as i can see, there aint a way to disable the jmicron controller from the bios. I still dont see why you are fretting over it though. Installing the driver isnt going to take over your system. Its just like plugging a memory stick in - windows has detected it, and want to get the correct software to make it work.

The fan. There doesnt seem to be any control over the sys fan, which is odd. (again, you can disable the warning - all its saying it your fan isnt spinning, and we already know that). I did some googling and it could possibly be a widespread issue. Before i explain, try starting the system and giving the fan a push. If it starts to spin very slowly, or just spins by itself just for a few seconds, we shall continue...
 
thingemajib said:
right, i have done some digging, and found ... stuff.

i see what you mean with the manual being confusing, but as far as i can see, there aint a way to disable the jmicron controller from the bios. I still dont see why you are fretting over it though. Installing the driver isnt going to take over your system. Its just like plugging a memory stick in - windows has detected it, and want to get the correct software to make it work.

Okay, if it is just the driver and not "taking over my Intel chipset setting" that is fine I will click "yes". The reason for my concern is that I am going to add another HDD soon and I do not want JMicron to mess up things for me. Just want to be absolutely that's all.

The fan. There doesnt seem to be any control over the sys fan, which is odd. (again, you can disable the warning - all its saying it your fan isnt spinning, and we already know that). I did some googling and it could possibly be a widespread issue. Before i explain, try starting the system and giving the fan a push. If it starts to spin very slowly, or just spins by itself just for a few seconds, we shall continue...

Yes, I cannot see the control over the fan apart from setting it to "Auto, Voltage or PWM". I set it to any of them and they still don't spin.

I have done the slow pushing and it spin at slow rate but when I reboot again the fan simply refuse to work.

I know the fan is working as it spin normally when connect to molex 3 pin.
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as long as you keep the HDD plugged onto the sata ports run by the p55 chipset, the jmicron will simply sit there doing sod all.

right. The problem with the fan header seems to be that the board only likes to put out 5v to a 12v fan at the moment (in your case, 5v is enough to spin the fan, but not enough to actually start it spinning). Apprently they're working on a bios update to enable pwm control for this, but im not sure if its been done yet. This means either pestering gigabyte technical support for a bios update, or not using that header (ie, use molex or a splitter from your cpu fan). This is where i found the info from.
 
thingemajib said:
as long as you keep the HDD plugged onto the sata ports run by the p55 chipset, the jmicron will simply sit there doing sod all.

I am glad to hear that. Okay will definitely click "Yes" now.

right. The problem with the fan header seems to be that the board only likes to put out 5v to a 12v fan at the moment (in your case, 5v is enough to spin the fan, but not enough to actually start it spinning). Apprently they're working on a bios update to enable pwm control for this, but im not sure if its been done yet. This means either pestering gigabyte technical support for a bios update, or not using that header (ie, use molex or a splitter from your cpu fan). This is where i found the info from.

Yes, the moment you mentioned about the known SYS_FAN problem I searched the web and found the same information.

Why or why they started selling a mobo that is half baked? I mean put out 4 pins that only works on 5v ...

Yes, I have a molex spliter that I initially link the case fan & CPU fan to mobo and to molex. I just took it off to de-cluttered all the cables that's how I found out the problem today.

Could you tell me if the SYS_FAN is meant to cool the mobo? How damaging it is without the SYS_FAN modulating the temp?:confused:

:)
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i have no idea how this problem came to be, but my foxconn motherboard has been full of bugs. its been 18 months since its release, AND it has been replaced with a newer model, yet im still pestering their tech support regularly for their newest beta bios that strikes one more bug off the list.

anyways, rant over.

according to OCUK, your case has a 120mm fan at the front, and an 80mm at the rear. I assume its the front fan thats not working. Basically, both these fans work to keep the airflow passing thorough the case (front sucks cold air in, rear blows hot air out). they're not specifically designed to cool the motherboard, just the PC in general. you should (touchwood) be ok if you just have the 80mm at the rear if everything is at stock settings. I would run a temperature monitoring program such as speedfan to make sure things dont overheat.

I assume you dont want the noise, but if that weren't an issue, then just leave the front fan plugged into the molex?

edit: if you originally had the splitter and it worked, then why not go back to that (rather have a cluttered pc than an overheating pc :p)
 
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thingemajib said:
i have no idea how this problem came to be, but my foxconn motherboard has been full of bugs. its been 18 months since its release, AND it has been replaced with a newer model, yet im still pestering their tech support regularly for their newest beta bios that strikes one more bug off the list.

anyways, rant over.

Crikey ... I don't know this sort of problem is common ... so customers pay the money and fix the problem for manufacturer. If the mobo is less than £30 with a note saying we might need to fix the bug(s) ourselves at least we know what we pay for.

All those reviews about how good this board is very misleading since they did not test every aspect of it.

according to OCUK, your case has a 120mm fan at the front, and an 80mm at the rear. I assume its the front fan thats not working. Basically, both these fans work to keep the airflow passing thorough the case (front sucks cold air in, rear blows hot air out). they're not specifically designed to cool the motherboard, just the PC in general. you should (touchwood) be ok if you just have the 80mm at the rear if everything is at stock settings. I would run a temperature monitoring program such as speedfan to make sure things dont overheat.

My set up has:

1) Two 120mm front Akasa Apache fans replacing the stock Corsair H50 & case fan.

2) One 80mm stock case fan at the rear for HDD.

3) I added two 40mm fans to suck air out at the rear.

4) Also added one Akasa Exhaust Blower at the rear.

So I assume I should be fine until such time as new BIOS is out? I think I am on BIOS F8 or something like that ... need to check latest BIOS for this.

Any idea?

I assume you dont want the noise, but if that weren't an issue, then just leave the front fan plugged into the molex?

edit: if you originally had the splitter and it worked, then why not go back to that (rather have a cluttered pc than an overheating pc :p)

Yes, I need to avoid the noise that's why I opted for PWM.

I will go back to my PWM splitter to see how things go ...

Do you think my set up should be able to cool the mobo?
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I think that setup should be sufficient (not so sure about "enough") to cool things. Like i said use a program to keep checking the temps. I forgot to mention you should stress it with prime95 whilst temp monitoring.

i dont know exactly whats good and whats bad regarding temps (i use an amd system in a full atx case), but i would say your max cutoff (ie stop all programs) temps would be 90.c for the cpu and graphics card, and 80.c for the chipset


methinks someone else needs to take over here - im running out of useful tips and getting tired :/
 
OCChew said:
p/s: I have just connected the fan to molex 3 pins and it is spinning but it does not work when connected directly to the 4 pin header SYS_FAN

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I have the same motherboard, and had the same issue. When I connected a PWM fan to SYS_FAN is would not spin up. If you want to use the PWM function all I can suggest is you put the PWM system fans in line with the PWM CPU cooler.
 
hang on, ive just reread your post (told you i was getting tired XD)

if both your 120mm fans are on the h50, then it would be best if they were both running from the splitter, as they are both cooling the same thing.

in my opinion, job done.
 
OCChew said:
1) How to solve/get rid of the "JMicron Technology Corp" popping up each time I am in Windows?
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This board has 2 separate SATA controllers. There is the Intel one, and also a Gigabyte one that uses the JMicron driver.

If you look on the board. The Intel SATA plugs are Blue, there is two more that I think are either white or purple.

1) I would make sure your SSD drive is on the blue SATA plugs (Intel controller).

2) Go to BIOS set the onboard controller to AHCI (sounds like you have it in raid). This is at the top of integrated peripherals menu in BIOS. EDIT. Just read your already in AHCI, not sure why your getting the raid controller message.

3) Disable the Gigabyte disk controller - this is about 2/3 down the same screen.

Windows 7 should then load a AHCI driver, and the RAID and JMicron messages should go away.
 
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JasonM said:
This board has 2 separate SATA controllers. There is the Intel one, and also a Gigabyte one that uses the JMicron driver.

If you look on the board. The Intel SATA plugs are Blue, there is two more that I think are either white or purple.

1) I would make sure your SSD drive is on the blue SATA plugs (Intel controller).

Yes, already in the Blue SATA plugs.

2) Go to BIOS set the onboard controller to AHCI (sounds like you have it in raid). This is at the top of integrated peripherals menu in BIOS. EDIT. Just read your already in AHCI, not sure why your getting the raid controller message.

It could be the case when I update the all mobo drivers to rev 1.1. so also installed JMicron ...

3) Disable the Gigabyte disk controller - this is about 2/3 down the same screen.

Windows 7 should then load a AHCI driver, and the RAID and JMicron messages should go away.

Aha .. .which one is that exactly?

Is this the one Onboard SATA/IDE Device? Or the Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl mode?

The former have the choice of Enabled or Disabled.

The latter has IDE, AHCI & RAID/IDE to choose from and I have already chosen AHCI

So which one exactly please?
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I just did this ...

Onboard SATA/IDE Device - switched to Disabled.

Then immediately I could see the Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl mode as - AHCI only.

But the JMicron still keep popping up ... arrgghhh ...
 
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