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'Make roads safer for bikes'

Discussion in 'Biker's Cafe' started by IC3, Apr 6, 2018.

  1. IC3

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Dec 3, 2011

    Posts: 9,230

    There's this petition online about bringing more awareness on theory tests about motorcycles, takes 15 seconds to sign and its near the 100,000 signatures goal which is a requirement for the parliament to discuss this on one of their meetings.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-eng...-motorbike-awareness-campaign-in-son-s-memory

    Most of you know about my accident which happened last year where a car pulled out on me, I nearly lost my left leg... The link is below, just fill in your details and hit 'sign this petition!'

    Petition: https://www.change.org/p/make-roads-safer-for-bikes
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2018
  2. TallPaul1878

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Oct 21, 2012

    Posts: 2,333

    People crash into fluorescent yellow ambulances and bright red fire engines with their lights and sirens blasting. They still say "didn't see it coming".

    If someone is making a tweet or fixing their hair in the mirror it doesn't make a difference, they're gonna crash.
     
  3. chroniclard

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 23, 2014

    Posts: 15,827

    Location: Hertfordshire

    Sounds good, driving test should be made much harder to be honest. Same with the bike test, loads of bikers are nutters.
     
  4. Rroff

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 13, 2006

    Posts: 68,548

    I've seen it so many times where people pull out of a side road into the path of an oncoming, fully lit up, siren on, unobstructed line of sight, emergency vehicle it beggars belief.
     
  5. mattcrane

    Hitman

    Joined: Jul 29, 2014

    Posts: 585

    Location: Truro, Cornwall, UK

    Making the test harder will make no difference to some bikers being nutters all they will do is ride to the required standard for the test and then do whatever they want after they pass.
     
  6. whyscotty

    Sgarrista

    Joined: May 6, 2012

    Posts: 9,398

    Location: Wigan

    Being a nutter isn’t restricted to just bikers
     
  7. chroniclard

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 15,827

    Location: Hertfordshire

    Nope, didn't mean to imply that. :) Some people just shouldn't be on the road!
     
  8. whyscotty

    Sgarrista

    Joined: May 6, 2012

    Posts: 9,398

    Location: Wigan

    100% agree with that.
     
  9. mattcrane

    Hitman

    Joined: Jul 29, 2014

    Posts: 585

    Location: Truro, Cornwall, UK


    Back in the early 80's my dad was on his way to work on his bike a driver pulled out of a side road in front of him he hit him rolled over the bonnet no injury only damage to bike was a mudguard and front numberplate, (he had just pulled away from a green light so was only going slow on a 60's BSA), typical excuse "sorry didn't see you".

    Two weeks later, same bloke, same car and same junction pulled out in front my dad again, the only difference this time is that my old man had a police escort front and back and he was driving an ambulance all 3 vehicles had everything lit up and sirens going, the guy let the lead Police vehicle go past then pulled out in front of my dad who clipped the front of his car but managed to keep going had a very sick young child in the back that they were transferring for a organ transplant, yet the car driver still claimed he didn't see them............
     
  10. Quartz

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 1, 2014

    Posts: 10,709

    Location: Aberdeen

    I don't know about motorbikes but bicyclists around here are absolute nutters who completely ignore traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, etc etc.
     
  11. mrbazmondo

    Hitman

    Joined: Apr 10, 2008

    Posts: 914

    Kids riding round in packs on mopeds seems to be a thing that comes in waves every year or 2. It's like they've never seen a road before and don't know what to do.

    The cyclists around here are quite well behaved, I haven't seen one jump a light. The amount of vans I've seen that jump red lights, or only wait half the duration then shoot off is another story, and cars that undertake you when you're indicating to move into a lane to your left.
     
  12. HoneyBadger

    Mobster

    Joined: Aug 2, 2016

    Posts: 2,787

    Location: Kent

    I've signed this.
     
  13. flea.rider

    Hitman

    Joined: Aug 7, 2017

    Posts: 938

    to be honest .. I think everyone should ride a bike for at least 1 yr before getting behind the wheel of a car ..
    it brings so much more awareness to a driver
     
  14. Yaayuh!

    Capodecina

    Joined: Nov 5, 2010

    Posts: 19,926

    I have less of an issue with other drivers than I do the quality of the road surface at the moment, believe it or not.
    Diesel and deep tram pot holes have become my enemy.
     
  15. AndyCr15

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 28, 2011

    Posts: 10,673

    Location: Barnet, London

    I agree with this. I remember how vulnerable I felt when I first rode a bike. Really makes you pay more attention to the surroundings.
     
  16. IC3

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Dec 3, 2011

    Posts: 9,230

    I bet it looks like I'm drunk driving swerving around the pot holes, its ridiculous...
     
  17. Scort

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 28, 2006

    Posts: 4,003

    Location: No longer riding an Italian

    Signed.

    My riding instructor said that it ought to be mandatory to make a leaner car driver take their CBT - as they will learn why bikes ride the way they do, and will also have a respect for those of us on two wheels.
     
  18. Karl

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 23, 2002

    Posts: 3,224

    Location: UK

    This got posted on Reddit as well in the MotoUK sub, and I posted this in there, but as it's relevant, I'll pop it in here too:

    "The inquest heard a statement by Lauren Moger who witnessed the collision, she said she was overtaken by Mr Brisland’s bike before the crash and described the bike as going in and out of traffic at speed moments before the crash.

    The inquest also heard a statement by Adam Brunswick who rode behind Mr Brisland, he said he could not see the Peugeot indicate before the crash.

    He said he saw Mr Brisland apply the brakes and said he attempted to avoid the Peugeot pulling out but lost control and was thrown over the handlebars and was struck by oncoming taxi.

    Pathologist Dr Vipul Foria concluded Mr Brisland died instantly from multiple injuries.

    Police investigator PC Edward Wilson said reconstruction tests carried out at speeds of between 30 and 35mph concluded Mr Howard should have seen the bike, but evidence from collision investigator Peter Davey said his investigation indicated Mr Brisland could have been riding at 56mph before the crash."

    http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/14530446.Driver_in_teen_biker_death_crash_won_t_face_trial/

    In summary, speed played a part, and motorcyclists are already trained about this.

    Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of sympathy for the mother wanting her son's death to mean something.
     
  19. Scort

    Mobster

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    I wonder how true that really is - I mean it's beside the point now, but a lot of car drivers might perceive filtering as 'going in and out of traffic', which it is I suppose - but not hugely dangerous [providing you're doing it at a reasonable speed]. The fact he passed this witness before the accident, may have also set off the usual car driver's perception that 'they were speeding', and for all we know, he might have been filtering at a sensible speed - but this witness [having already been passed] has just assumed he was doing so at speed?

    Regardless of whether the lad was speeding or not, it's still a shame that his life has been cut short, and that the driver will have to deal with the event for the rest of their lives; not to mention the lad's family of course :(
     
  20. Karl

    Mobster

    Joined: Oct 23, 2002

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    Location: UK

    That's why I included the bit from the collision investigator saying that there were indications of him travelling at around 56mph prior to the crash. That's pretty quick; quick enough for a motorist to not notice that they're there while they're pulling out of a driveway. I only know bits of the story myself, although it does look like speed was a fairly large factor, more than the moving around traffic.