Soldato
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I worked with a guy who had it, he seemed to really suffer. You are very unfortunate.
Likewise I cant see fletcher becoming a top level player again.
Manchester United's Darren Fletcher takes 'extended break'
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I worked with a guy who had it, he seemed to really suffer. You are very unfortunate.
Likewise I cant see fletcher becoming a top level player again.
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Sad news for fletcher but the team must move on. if this is a catalyst for some midfield investment then so be it.
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no cure for it?
exactly the right thing to do as well
I was under the impression that no one at the club actually had a diagnosis until (relatively) recently , which is possibly why he was playing until Nov /Dec.
I dont think its as short term as you are considering - imo it would be a minor miracle if he is even back in first team training before 2013 - his current fitness will possibly help his recovery time (if he even goes for an operation - maybe this would end his career straight away, so he wants to fight it out of the limelight first?)
We all know how difficult it is to make a mid-season come back after a long injury, and there is probably little knowledge out there in reference to really top athletes being affected by it (and therefore treatments / timescales etc) so summer of 2013 or 13/14 season is possibly more realistic before he is a regular again
edit -I admit this is complete guesswork just from reading how serious this condition is, but I dont see the timescale I mentioned as being unrealistic at all (but in the same breath - "Get well soon/asap DF")
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Not really unless you have some major surgery, which is typically a last resort if medical treatment isn't working, and even then there's no guarantee as there are all sorts of other problems associated with IBD - fatigue, lower immunity (from meds), nutrient deficiency among others..
True, it can be sometimes difficult to diagnose, even for years. Mine took 6 months or so.
From what the ITK's have been saying (and the official club statement eludes to this also) the club have known all along what the issue has been and diagnosing him with a virus last season was simply a cover up to save any embarrassment for Fletcher. He had the 2 months off last season and has been playing through it this season but it's obviously not the answer in regards to his long term health
tbh I have no idea what time scale we're looking at, I was using 6 months as an example. Lewis Moody for example says he played through a similar illness so Fletcher could be back in 3 months or it might be 6 months, 12 months or never at the moment I doubt anyone really knows the severity
Ulcerative Colitis seems to be one of those diseases that isn't the diagnosed straight from the off. When I first went to the doctor with symptoms, I was diagnosed with everything from food poisoning to piles before ending up in hospital where it was confirmed.
For me, time has been the best way of dealing with it; it took me a good few years before I had adjusted my lifestyle and diet around the colitis to the point where it didn't affect me massively in day to day life.
The severity varies massively though so I hope he gets well enough to play again soon.
For me, time has been the best way of dealing with it; it took me a good few years before I had adjusted my lifestyle and diet around the colitis to the point where it didn't affect me massively in day to day life.
The severity varies massively though so I hope he gets well enough to play again soon.
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good luck to darren and hope he gets fit enough to play again....always thought he could turn into a scholes type player........1 thing that might stop him is fatigue.......
im a chrohns sufferer and can say out of all the symptoms i can put up with most....but the 1 that really gets me down is fatigue......unless you have suffered with it you cant really begin to think what its really like........i can get up and feel really tired again an hour later....ive even slept most of the day......my knees ache like hell and nothing can stop it.......
im glad more high profile people are coming forward and telling the world what they are suffering with.......as i would say millions of people have now read up on uc and chrohns and ibd in general since this case.......and now have a general understanding of what the disease is etc......i really got fed up people saying i had that once.....when all they had was a bit of wind......
and its nice to know a few folks on here are suffering the same disease or similar and im not alone......sometimes it makes you think i wander who else has it........
im a chrohns sufferer and can say out of all the symptoms i can put up with most....but the 1 that really gets me down is fatigue......unless you have suffered with it you cant really begin to think what its really like........i can get up and feel really tired again an hour later....ive even slept most of the day......my knees ache like hell and nothing can stop it.......
im glad more high profile people are coming forward and telling the world what they are suffering with.......as i would say millions of people have now read up on uc and chrohns and ibd in general since this case.......and now have a general understanding of what the disease is etc......i really got fed up people saying i had that once.....when all they had was a bit of wind......
and its nice to know a few folks on here are suffering the same disease or similar and im not alone......sometimes it makes you think i wander who else has it........
take your point - but I think it nicely covers the club if they have been mis-diagnosing such a rare illness (not saying for one second that they would do this apart from by genuine mistake), Im also not sure why it would cause embarrasement to him, as there is nothing he could have done different not to have it affect him.
I apreciate the "medical privacy" but if anything this to me indicates that they have already tried all the short term cures, while using the "cover story" - so I still think it will be a break for a matter of year(s) rather than months.
While I know he has been training this season, didnt he take a complete break last season for the couple of months you previously mentioned (at the time I thought a club statement said he was, or had been, bed ridden) , if this is correct (and having little long-lasting effect) the time scale has to be much longer this time around , especially given that this time around the real reason has now been realised (so less pressure on everyone involved)
You know what opposition fans are like, even when Baz posted the news he poked fun that it was a stomach ache and that was only in jest. Given the nature of the condition I wouldn't put it past a large amount of opposition to be much harsher with their 'micky taking'
Again I go back to Lewis Moody he recalls he was embarrassed to even tell his own team mates. You'd of thought in the 21st century people wouldn't ridicule things like this but having read some of the stuff I have over the past few days I'd put nothing past society today
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yes and no, a lot of the time with these things its stress that plays a huge factor. Think about if you were Fletcher, would there be any stage in which you took 2 months off, hoping to be back, you wouldn't be doing some exercise staying fit and essentially stressing yourself out for being unable to get better.
As someone who deals with a crapload of stress and knows other people who do also, one of the ridiculously stressful things in life, is stressing over being unable to stop being stressed
Basically Fletcher with the intention of wanting to come back, with premier league titles on the line while being paid millions, this isn't a stress free situation, that isn't to say some people wouldn't be able to get through it, nor that others would, these kinds of diseases hit everyone in various ways, short sharp bad bouts, long less bad bouts, and everything in between.
The best thing is probably not always trying to be a month away from a comeback, that is probably the worst situation for trying to get better, think of all the guys who get reinjured trying to come back from injury too soon, or just while pushing hard to get back.
HE's taking what you could somewhat describe as unofficial retirement, Fergie is officially telling him, you go, we're not relying on you, we don't have to have you back, if you ever get better, door's open, if not, so be it.
Let him as I said, unofficially retire, de-stress, if he gets better, he gets better, it could be in 2 months with all the stress off his back, it could be a couple years, or never.
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When i first came to this forum i was taken to bits when i said i had an "ITK" who was saying what a bad way Darren Fletcher was in and how he didnt have the strength to take his kids to school and how concerend the club were about him. It was all portrayed as being a "virus" in the media. I was dissmissed as a WUM.
When he did manage to play again my credibility left the building.
I also said the club were testing him for ME because that was a genuine corncern at the time given the lack of energy and weight loss.
I have since blotted my copybook enough to not really be fussed about posting any more but i would like to say that this does tie in with the posts i tried to make at the time and I really wasnt trying to be a WUM. Utd WERE concerned about what the long-term problem was with him. ME was jumping the gun I guess but he was tested for various things. The person who told me what i posted was giving the info in good faith at the time.
Anyway the bottom line is lets hope he gets back into "remission" which is what seems to be said rather than "cure" . On a human level, much as im not sure i rate him as a player but i hope he regains his heath and can persure his career.
Sorry for the rant, i just got grief at the time!!
When he did manage to play again my credibility left the building.
I also said the club were testing him for ME because that was a genuine corncern at the time given the lack of energy and weight loss.
I have since blotted my copybook enough to not really be fussed about posting any more but i would like to say that this does tie in with the posts i tried to make at the time and I really wasnt trying to be a WUM. Utd WERE concerned about what the long-term problem was with him. ME was jumping the gun I guess but he was tested for various things. The person who told me what i posted was giving the info in good faith at the time.
Anyway the bottom line is lets hope he gets back into "remission" which is what seems to be said rather than "cure" . On a human level, much as im not sure i rate him as a player but i hope he regains his heath and can persure his career.
Sorry for the rant, i just got grief at the time!!
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You don't have to rate him much as a player but Darren Fletcher is, despite everything else, a pretty damn solid central midfielder. Without doubt there are better but that apart he's very much a good midfield player - you don't hold down a regular place at Man Utd wihtout being at least fairly reasonable.
Because of his lack of form for the past 2 years (which for all we know could all be down to this illness) Fletcher was absolutely immense for us from the 06/07 season to the 09/10 season. Massively underrated player. Obviously not world class but like you said a very good player
