Mandatory Driving Test

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I remember back when I rode a motorbike.
The problem with motorbikes is that it doesn't matter who is to blame, the biker dies.
If you want to live, then you assume that everyone around you is an idiot and can't drive. I really do believe it is the only reason I survived so long on a bike.
So, I would argue, that car drivers feel too secure in their metal boxes. They clearly don't make the same assumption.
Maybe they should?

I too am an ex biker and agree to the sentiment. It was often said that a useful addition to a car steering wheel would be a damn great spike. Instead we now have air bags. Ho hum.
 
How does a black box identify people in wrong lanes on a roundabout? Or the inability to park properly, or reverse around a corner. It would identify speeding, which is not a problem I’m talking about.

Just to be clear - I don't see ANY problem with speeding where conditions allow it. More, mass surveillance of the country is not what I want. I simply think it is a good idea to ensure people have the skills required to take control of a motor vehicle and that skillset to be reviewed from time to time.

Black boxes would be the end of the enthusiast car segment and put the nail in the coffin of any sports car manufacturers. It's not what I want.
Maybe you should make up the laws, you can decide which ones we can and can't break.
What if the other person thinks speeding shouldn't be allowed but poor lane discipline should. Why do you get to pick and choose.
Id be up for black boxes in all cars, roads covered 100% in cameras.
Want a sports car great, I've had plenty, go to the track when you want to have fun, loads of tracks on this country.
 
I'd also have an advanced BOSS LEVEL driving test, with skid pans, car control etc, and then you have a license to drive in your own dedicated BOSS LANES on every motorway and dual carriageway with increased speed limits. Charge £1000 a year to use them and a requirement is to be a good driver.

Re-vive the economy with massive infrastructure projects for legends, and keep the peasants out of the way. :D
 
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I'd advocate that we should also fix the rules we have now - by adjusting the speed limits to be appropriate for modern roads and cars

Thats half the picture though
What about, density of traffic thats completely different to when many of the rules were set (so lower limits would increase the roads capacity) for example

Frankly for much of the UKs road network the 70 limit is too high during busy times. The inside lane will be heavily congested with lorries leaving 1 or 2 lanes that need to carry all the cars.
People then drive too close together with people who insist they need to bounce off the limit of what will get them ticketed.
When they do try to slow the traffic to a level thats in live with the congestion you get all the morons saying stuff like "I didnt see an accident why did they put a 40 limit up"

Yeah I would be very careful in wishing for an overhaul, many of the limits should probably fall based on the the levels of traffic on the roads ;)
 
I'd also have an advanced BOSS LEVEL driving test, with skid pans, car control etc, and then you have a license to drive in your own dedicated BOSS LANES on every motorway and dual carriageway with increased speed limits. Charge £1000 a year to use them and a requirement is to be a good driver.

Re-vive the economy with massive infrastructure projects for legends, and keep the peasants out of the way. :D

Motorways cost circa £40M per mile.
If you happy to fund your extra BOSS lanes then as long as only the BOSSes are paying for them why not.
The £1000 wouldn't even start to be a drop the ocean.
 
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They should do driver CPC courses like us truckers have to do. 35 hours every 5 years.

It would be a nice little money earner for the government too.

I don't think the actual car driving is a problem for many but the total lack of understanding of everything else is a problem.

Only last Sunday did I witness a SUV of some sort losing it on the M62 because he was going too fast for the conditions. Looked like he slammed into the central reservation but made it onto the hard shoulder somehow.
 
Curious why "Driving on the M40 last night" "Set my cruise to 60 in lane 1" and "flying past car after car" undertaking doesn't share some characteristics of driving like a clueless idiot. It's hard at the best of times to tell which lane headlights are in. One person moving left as you undertake is an accident waiting to happen.

I totally understand how frustrating lane hogging is, but if they were doing 40 or 50, you just need to put an audio book on or listen to music and chill.

You need to brush up on your highway code it seems.
 
It's a mix of impatience, self-importance, and arrogance. Yes people get in wrong lanes generally drive a bit rubbish but then you get people acting aggressive not giving way because they are in the right. So what just open up a gap and let them in.
 
Thats half the picture though
What about, density of traffic thats completely different to when many of the rules were set (so lower limits would increase the roads capacity) for example

Frankly for much of the UKs road network the 70 limit is too high during busy times. The inside lane will be heavily congested with lorries leaving 1 or 2 lanes that need to carry all the cars.
People then drive too close together with people who insist they need to bounce off the limit of what will get them ticketed.
When they do try to slow the traffic to a level thats in live with the congestion you get all the morons saying stuff like "I didnt see an accident why did they put a 40 limit up"

Yeah I would be very careful in wishing for an overhaul, many of the limits should probably fall based on the the levels of traffic on the roads ;)

The solution to congestion should be to build more roads, bigger roads, and alternative means of transportation.
 
Motorways cost circa £40M per mile.
If you happy to fund your extra BOSS lanes then as long as only the BOSSes are paying for them why not.
The £1000 wouldn't even start to be a drop the ocean.

Last I checked less than 30% of the income from VED was actually spent on roads... so there is plenty of spare budget to fund extra lanes.
 
You need to brush up on your highway code it seems.

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Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

Fair enough - I was wrong, Please accept my apologies!

Consider me educated on rule 268. I'd still be nervous doing it at night as other drivers might not expect it.
 
It's also not spending. It's investing.

New jobs
Use only British machinery & materials to build it

Basically like Germany in the 1930s, minus the invasion of countries and genocidal bit.
 
I'd also have an advanced BOSS LEVEL driving test, with skid pans, car control etc, and then you have a license to drive in your own dedicated BOSS LANES on every motorway and dual carriageway with increased speed limits. Charge £1000 a year to use them and a requirement is to be a good driver.

Re-vive the economy with massive infrastructure projects for legends, and keep the peasants out of the way. :D

Dont even need new lanes for that, just make lane 3 the "competent driver lane" and all the plebs can get lanes 1 and 2, and if they come into lane 3 they get shot by snipers placed on the overpasses.
 
Build price or maintenance price? Can't be 40 per mile to maintain surely?

The M stands for million.

The average cost of a mile of major road is £40 million!

Last I checked less than 30% of the income from VED was actually spent on roads... so there is plenty of spare budget to fund extra lanes.

Would have to increase other taxes then

I mean its an option but its basically not going to happen.
 
In my life I worked on the M65, M40, M602, M60, M62, M5 widening, many A roads and dual carriageways, but those days of building have long gone
 
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