Soldato
What section and at what settings did they use to get those results?
I'd like to confirm by running it myself.
I'd like to confirm by running it myself.
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Mantle vS 780Ti in BF4
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Caporegime
It doesn't say, as i wanted to test it myself. Honestly i don't think you can give it a lot of credibility when they're so vague. No video, no description of what scene or section, just a two minute play through. I suppose i could tweet the editor.
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I don't really see how Mantle VS 780Ti can even be a debate. Simply put, on balance with all current games and games around the corner the best card available is the 780Ti (assuming money is no object and there is no debate around budget)
If you want to start talking about value and whether or not Mantle is a better card because it costs less than the 780Ti and on some graphs on a couple of games it performs better, then the argument is completely subjective, surely? If I have no desire to play BF4 then obviously I don’t care about Mantle right now, if I have £500 I’d happily throw away on a video card then the 780Ti is a good choice. I know this thread is clearly marked as Mantle VS 780YTi in BF4, but most of the arguments are coming down to “my choice of card is better than yours” which is crazy.
Every reasonable person’s opinion is as right as the next as their opinion is based around the games they play and the budget available to them.
If you want to start talking about value and whether or not Mantle is a better card because it costs less than the 780Ti and on some graphs on a couple of games it performs better, then the argument is completely subjective, surely? If I have no desire to play BF4 then obviously I don’t care about Mantle right now, if I have £500 I’d happily throw away on a video card then the 780Ti is a good choice. I know this thread is clearly marked as Mantle VS 780YTi in BF4, but most of the arguments are coming down to “my choice of card is better than yours” which is crazy.
Every reasonable person’s opinion is as right as the next as their opinion is based around the games they play and the budget available to them.
Soldato
Too much sense in that post ^ 
. But it's a lot to do with some people not willing to accept that their choice of purchase doesn't shine in every scenario possible with every driver released. I'm going to fit my 290 Pro block tonight and have a play over the weekend with BF4 specifically.
. But it's a lot to do with some people not willing to accept that their choice of purchase doesn't shine in every scenario possible with every driver released. I'm going to fit my 290 Pro block tonight and have a play over the weekend with BF4 specifically.
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Soldato
Too much sense in that post ^
I think there is a lot of stuff going on between posters where they have built up some underlying personal issues. Sadly this continues into nearly every new thread and is a real shame.
The thread will get traction once more when some unbiased reviews crop up and mantle gets updated.
problem for many even if they do buy a more expensive card the difference isnt noticeable in actual use. one reason Hardocp and how they measure is good way to find out how your gaming experience is.
I still wouldnt have bought a 780ti at the same price as my 290.
I still wouldnt have bought a 780ti at the same price as my 290.
Soldato
Exactly mate, problem is you have people here firmly in one camp or the other. They must support their camp, and insist on being right. Even though when it comes to building a PC their is no 'right' answer as every build is subject to, budget , performance, aesthetics and lot's of other variables.
If you look at it subjectively, the 780Ti has best overall performance, and runs cool and quiet but is priced higher than alternatives, 290X costs less, runs hot and loud, but also has more vram and Mantle.. It's an argument that could go on forever..
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Only the stock cooled cards run hot and loud. From what i have seen the non-reference coolers run fine and are still cheaper.
Msi gaming 290x price
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=gx-238-ms
the windforce is £10 cheaper again.
gtx780ti stock cooler price
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=gx-034-in&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1402
msi gtx780ti gaming price
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=gx-241-ms&groupid=701&catid=1914&subcat=1402
some thermals from guru
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_radeon_r9_290x_gaming_oc_review,10.html
Soldato
hehe, cool and quiet. Try having three on water! I'm having to add a side intake to the 900D as I've no real cool intake due to maxing rad space
I'm having to add a side intake to the 900D as I've no real cool intake due to maxing rad space
Soldato
Indeed pal maybe worth a shot, the 290X isn't as fast as a 780Ti in all games, i know, i've had both and commented on the Ti beating the 290X in some.
My issue lies with people saying the 780Ti is definitely the faster card, because it isn't, in fact i was quite shocked by how the performance for the most part was the same or near enough with both cards winning and losing.
I don't know if it was because i was hyped up about getting the 780Tis, or i expected a little too much performance, but i got a utterly fantastic card, with awesome build quality, they ran cool and quiet and were extremely easy to just pop in and play away, much better in that sense than my REF 290X.
What i didn't get was a performance increase.
If i was buying Reference cards without the view of watercooling, and had the cash, i'd have the Ti's all day.
As it is now, with the AIB 290/X's being available.. it's a much tougher choice to make.
Regardless of what card you get, you'll be happy, both are utterly fantastic.
Soldato
How come when the AIB cards come out with the better cooling and quiet fans certain people are still referring to ref card problems, can we not move on and except they are now cool and quiet, negating one advantage the 780Ti had. Then we move on to why, when comparing, the budget is put to the side as well. Don't get it, when comparing do it for everything and when you do the 290\290X AIB versions are the 'better' buy. As far as quality of build goes the Msi Gaming range cards look 'fabulous darling'. Now having said all that I would love to have two X 780Ti in Sli.
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I recently bought a Asus 290X to replace my 6970. I thought it might be best to stick with what I know and I wanted to try mantle but I was wrong, so wrong. I had so many issues, I wanted to break my computer, but seemed AMD were doing that for me. Noise , downclocking, stutter every now and then. I overhauled my computer with a 4770K and a clean install of Windows 8 thinking that would fix it, but no it didn't. I gave up after 4 weeks and bought a evga 780 Ti superclock and no more issues. I realised that the 6970 was just as bad but, i had got used to issues. I am sad I didn't try mantle, but looking around, it would just be more issues to add to my list. Just my experience.
Soldato
You do what you need to do bud, that's what its all about, hope your 780Ti gives you what you are looking for.
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nvm
Caporegime
Whats with the posts here saying thetechreport is dodgy and have taken a bung? I hope you have proof.
What about Anandtech? Similar conclusions as TR, are they taking an Nividia bung as well?
There are no foundations for saying that the techreport is not to be trusted.
What about Anandtech? Similar conclusions as TR, are they taking an Nividia bung as well?
There are no foundations for saying that the techreport is not to be trusted.
Soldato
That's the thing with websites posting benchmarks.
If they don't support what people want them to show they find a reason to discount them. The test wasn't long enough, the test was too long, they didn't play it on high enough settings to see a bottleneck, they played it on too high settings to see a bottleneck, the drivers were too old, the drivers were too new, they've posted a posative Nvidia article in the past so must be getting bribed by Nvida, they posted a posative AMD article in the past so must be getting bribed by AMD... there will be some reason to discount the results.
Some people will argue that you can't use benchmark results from BF4 multiplayer despite the fact that months earlier they were posting graphs from SWE Clockers mutiplayer benchmarks because they were the only site that could be trusted...
And if all else fails the red team will argue that in a performance vs. performance comparison AMD is cheaper!
If they don't support what people want them to show they find a reason to discount them. The test wasn't long enough, the test was too long, they didn't play it on high enough settings to see a bottleneck, they played it on too high settings to see a bottleneck, the drivers were too old, the drivers were too new, they've posted a posative Nvidia article in the past so must be getting bribed by Nvida, they posted a posative AMD article in the past so must be getting bribed by AMD... there will be some reason to discount the results.
Some people will argue that you can't use benchmark results from BF4 multiplayer despite the fact that months earlier they were posting graphs from SWE Clockers mutiplayer benchmarks because they were the only site that could be trusted...
And if all else fails the red team will argue that in a performance vs. performance comparison AMD is cheaper!
Caporegime
They used Medium/High settings.
Always worth remembering what happens when you play at Higher details/Higher resolution/Ultra Preset though. The tables turn dramatically.
Source
http://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficzn...nych_battlefield_4_mantle_vs_directx?page=0,6
Soldato
Isn't "Wiemy, co sie Kreci!" polish for "We hate Nvidia"?
Caporegime
Isn't "Wiemy, co sie Kreci!" polish for "We hate Nvidia"?
I think it means willy in polish.
