Mark Higgins TT Runs

I'm actually surprised that they are that close have to admit. The acceleration on a bike is monstrous even compared to a 600bhp car... and coming out of bends and acceleration... wonder where the car gets them.

Be great to see this superempossed on a bike lap so we could see where the gains and the loses occur... have to admit, I'm surprised how quick and close it is...
 
I think the braking and cornering advantage of a car is more than most people appreciate. I'm no biker and have no experience of them but I know when I was having a play with some bikers out in Wales last week I found it surprisingly easy to stay in touch with them. Every straight they would do one, then every corner I'd be right back with them again.
 
Was there :D

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Between us we have loads of pictures if anyone wan5s anything specific. And yes looking under the arches was a work of art :)
 
Crazy girl sitting on the left @ 3:03 :p

And lol at the guy desperately trying to pull his phone out, unlock it and open the camera app, missing the shot and missing the car. Put them away and enjoy! :D
 
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Clarkey said:
I think the braking and cornering advantage of a car is more than most people appreciate. I'm no biker and have no experience of them but I know when I was having a play with some bikers out in Wales last week I found it surprisingly easy to stay in touch with them. Every straight they would do one, then every corner I'd be right back with them again.
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Probabluy because the majority of bikers aren't actually that good at riding (no matter what they think!!!). Driving a car is easier than riding a bike without a doubt (I do both and have done track days on both)... and you'd be surprised how quick you can flick a bike... however yes, a car around bends would probably be quick especuially 4x4... still though, to corner and make up that amount of time compared to how I imagine a 950bhp+ per ton sports bike accelerates out of a bend... I'm impressed with the average speed.
 
pugheaven said:
Probabluy because the majority of bikers aren't actually that good at riding (no matter what they think!!!). Driving a car is easier than riding a bike without a doubt (I do both and have done track days on both)... and you'd be surprised how quick you can flick a bike... however yes, a car around bends would probably be quick especuially 4x4... still though, to corner and make up that amount of time compared to how I imagine a 950bhp+ per ton sports bike accelerates out of a bend... I'm impressed with the average speed.
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4x4 would have zero impact on the corning ability.
 
Sarah said:
4x4 would have zero impact on the corning ability.
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You only need to look at the history of Group A, IMSA, BTCC etc.. to see how 4wd cars completely dominated the 2wd competition when they were briefly allowed. This strongly suggests that you are wrong.
 
Clarkey said:
You only need to look at the history of Group A, IMSA, BTCC etc.. to see how 4wd cars completely dominated the 2wd competition when they were briefly allowed. This strongly suggests that you are wrong.
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No it doesn't and you really need to learn about motorsport history as your generalisation is just that and misses big chunks of other stuff. Traction is where 4x4 has significant advantages, not grip, to my point.
 
Clarkey said:
You said cornering, exit traction is key to cornering ability. Your view on this seems blinkered to say the least?
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My point is that a 4x4 car can not corner at higher speed, for clarity and I have made that point many times. Your motorsport history needs work as 4x4 didn't dominate all the time, it failed many times, but let's not that or the fact that often the 4x4 cars had MASSIVE budget differences (IMSA) or massive power differences (GTR's in Groups A). But let's not let facts dilute your point.
 
adam cool dude said:
Even on a extremely bumpy surface while on full throttle?
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Depends on the set up and aero. We are looking at a fast saloon car. That has never been the fastest thing on tarmac and having driven the TT course bar some odd crests and a few areas it would take an aero car with big slicks and massive power as the extra cornering that would bring would outweigh the places it would need to carry less speed. Having been in a WRC car as well it is the damping that impresses most, it is frankly astonishing how well they deal with bumps. Traction on rough surfaces are superb too, the massive advantage of 4wd of course. Look back at Group B and an 037 Lancia was still a competitive car on tarmac with far less power and RWD. This car is an experiment by Subaru using the base road car heavily evolved, but still the wrong starting point to make the fastest car.
 
Give the RCM gobstopper a go! But I think the inherent advantage of the bikes is how narrow they are, think about how the bikes can use all of the track and how the width of a car means there's always less road to use, it effectively makes it narrower to drive on. I think the right car, lightweight with loads of downforce, would be knocking on the door of the top bike times though
 
I think size of the vehicle comes into play as well, a bike can move the entire width of the road, a car is already 5 feet wide. He certainly went for it though!
 
Mr crowley said:
Give the RCM gobstopper a go! But I think the inherent advantage of the bikes is how narrow they are, think about how the bikes can use all of the track and how the width of a car means there's always less road to use, it effectively makes it narrower to drive on. I think the right car, lightweight with loads of downforce, would be knocking on the door of the top bike times though
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The car can use parts of the "road" that bikes can not, and whilst the car doesn't have as much room to move around, they have better grip and stability to start with.
 
A car if set up well and built for the job in hand to its full potential should brake later, carry more speed in most corners, get on the power sooner and put it down better and probably accelerate as quickly give or take in most situations. It might also be able to carry more top speed on the really fast bits and doesn't need the space to move around like a bike because it will stick better and follow the optimum line easier. I've never questioned the skill of any of the riders and they are fantastic riders and it makes epic watching but if it comes down to absolutes a car optimised for the challenge will beat a bike on long, fast tarmac.
 
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