Martial arts to turn my body into a weapon?

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Is it a bad thing to do more than one? Even though there will only be one or two sessions a week for each one so that's only around 2 hours per week!

How did you find them when it comes to getting fit and being practical?

I'd like to be prepared for all sorts of situations, but I think up close will probably be the best one when it comes to getting dirty :o

Well, the main risk I see is that you'll find it difficult to progress in any one of them, since they can be quite different and you want to build up muscle memory as well. E.g. - Kickboxing is teaching me to always keep my back heel off the floor and lean into a punch for maximum power. Wing chun has always been the opposite - keep your feet grounded and your weight on your back leg. Don't lean into a punch because you may over extend yourself.

Difficult to explain in a written format, but with kickboxing, you punch hard and get a lot of power since you're leaning in and putting in some solid body weight behind it. However, the danger is that when you lean in, if they manage to grab your arm, they can easily put you off balance because of the stance. Wing chun counters this by keeping the weight on the back leg, so if someone grabs your arm, you stay on balance and it's relatively easy to pull back. However, for this, it sacrifices power. It took me/is taking me a while to get used to this since I did wing chun for 3 years and have been doing kickboxing only for a couple of months. If you do too many different martial arts together, I suspect you'll find it tricky to properly do one and get settled into it.

2 hours a week isn't a huge amount, but it isn't terrible. To be honest, it's one of the main reasons I took up kickboxing where I am - they have classes about 6 times a week so I can go more often.

For being practical - I would agree with all the other advice given here. Learn it, but don't expect to be able to use it. I think it will be years before you're in any sort of shape to be able to practically use it. Needs to be instinctual rather than thought out for that, and that would take a very long time. For fitness, i'm probably the wrong person to ask since i'm not particularly fit...but i'd say a martial art like kickboxing, muay thai etc., which has a lot of movement, is probably better, just because you are moving around. Kung Fu focuses on techniques as well, so you may not move around quite as much.

I found wing chun good for up close since it teaches you how to get in very close, do quick strikes, and move back again. Though if you're against someone who attacks more medium range/at a distance, and knows how to maintain it, then you'd struggle more I suspect. The analogy my wing chun instructor gave was that karate for instance, a punch is like a shotgun. Slow, but lots of power. Wing chun is more like a machine gun, very fast punches, each one with not that much power, but collectively adds up.

Just personal thoughts all these mind you rather than speaking from solid experience :p
 
Worth Bothering with:
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Muay Thai
Judo
Mixed Martial Arts - suppoedly incorpororates the most effective parts of various martial arts including muay thai, jiu jitsu and judo
Boxing

Dance class with funny noises and/or uniform:
Aikido
Ju Jitsu
Taekwondo
Wing Chun Kung Fu
Unsure (likely category 2, worryingly specific):
Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate
Shaolin Temple Kung Fu

Disclaimer: My personal opinions after trying most of these, please don't hate on me people who believe in Taekwondo and Wing Chun, I have tried both of these and did not get the point.

Be wary of the coach of any of these but particularly MMA. I joined a University MMA club having had a few amateur and semi pro fights and the coach was abysmal, teaching from Youtube and no experience in any of the key disciplines of MMA. Check the background of the instructor and check their achievements match up (e.g. The BJJ and Judo school will likely have a legitimate affiliation, boxing coaches should have a decent amateur experience at least).

ex-marines

Just noticed this bit and it has me concerned (maybe a little deja vu), which Uni are you at?
 
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Wing Chun, Ip Man.

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There you Josh.
 
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The reason I tried Ju Jitsu was because it sounded like all of the above plus strikes - Judo + Karate essentially - but the reality (at least in my experience) was shoddy ground work - the teachers would have struggled at even low level Judo comps. Infact, at one club we had a Judo vs Ju Jistsu tourney and without exception the Ju Jitsu guys got thrashed. And that's because fighting's all about the ground work - getting the other guy down, folding him up into a little ball and then beating on him - and this is what Judo's all about (minus the beating :)).

was this a uni ju jitsu club or one run by 'the jitsu foundation' by any chance?

They seemed to be teaching some bad judo mixed with a bit of akido and some strikes etc.. It was comical - they had people line up in a 'V' shape with one student stood in front and the Sensei would unleash them on him/her one by one... so you'd get say some short skinny girl stood in front of the class and different girls/guys would kind of approach her and grab her throat or feign a really obvious strike with a plastic bottle/knife etc.. and she'd do some dubious move and with minimal force they'd be dispatched, leaping into the air as though she actually threw them and hitting the mat... It was pure BS, just people acting out some sort of ninja fantasy and frankly quite irresponsible as some of these people were deluded that this sort of nonsense would actually work if they were attacked for real.

There is a lot to be said for training against fully resisting opponents, getting hit, getting thrown etc..
 
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tis probably worth checking out a few different clubs from that list, meeting the instructor, seeing what they do etc... meeting the people in that class, whether they're sociable, welcoming etc..

re: the art/style itself - this video might be useful when you're making a decision re: what to pursue whether it is a grappling or striking style or a mix of both

 
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A fist in the face often offends.

1) Don't fight.

2) Most real world fights are quickly resolved by those who can punch or end up in wrestling/grappling on the ground.

Choose your course in life and martial arts style as you see fit...
 
was this a uni ju jitsu club or one run by 'the jitsu foundation' by any chance?

They seemed to be teaching some bad judo mixed with a bit of akido and some strikes etc.. It was comical - they had people line up in a 'V' shape with one student stood in front and the Sensei would unleash them on him/her one by one... so you'd get say some short skinny girl stood in front of the class and different girls/guys would kind of approach her and grab her throat or feign a really obvious strike with a plastic bottle/knife etc.. and she'd do some dubious move and with minimal force they'd be dispatched, leaping into the air as though she actually threw them and hitting the mat... It was pure BS, just people acting out some sort of ninja fantasy and frankly quite irresponsible as some of these people were deluded that this sort of nonsense would actually work if they were attacked for real.

There is a lot to be said for training against fully resisting opponents, getting hit, getting thrown etc..

Having been a junior instructor (around ten years ago) at Ju Jitsu, there is a very specific reason for this as I am surprised you haven't guessed: students starting out want something they can get fit and relatively confident with, not trips to hospital. ;)

To be fair, however, TJF changed significantly (one of the reasons I left) around ten years ago, pushing it towards the kata/competitive dance side of things so I would be reluctant to recommend it to anybody with the somewhat dubious objective of "turning their body into a weapon..."
 
was this a uni ju jitsu club or one run by 'the jitsu foundation' by any chance?

It was a proper club. The same one I did Judo in. I'm not trying to knock it as there was a great deal of technique involved - I did it for a few years - but it was all very orchestrated compared to Judo, which I was doing at the same time, with very little full on sparring.

There is a lot to be said for training against fully resisting opponents, getting hit, getting thrown etc..

Agreed. Which Is why I preferred Judo. A tiny percentage of my time was spent full on sparring in Ju Jitsu, and when we did the people I fought just weren't used to having someone grab onto them and go all out. It was alien, they didn't know what to do. In Judo nearly 50% of my time was spent full on sparring - after a year it was completely familiar. After a few it was instinctual.
 
Not read any of the replies but try them all and see which you enjoy the most.

Also, hardly any (none?) of these will help you put on weight on their own.
 
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I have been doing boxing for just over a year now and so has the mrs spurred on by the fact we got "jumped" on a night out and I couldn't protect my other half whilst being outnumbered, I have lost abit of weight but my diet is terrible which i am working on. HOWEVER the strength i have gained has been well noticed by me and others.

I go to two boxing classes a week and try and do weight sessions focusing on compound movements/stronglift 5x5 routine 2-3 times a week sometimes doing weights before the boxing class if i have to.

I tried going to various gyms with fantastic equipment all the mod cons and didn't stick it. I now go to a gym which has rusty equipment, broken air con etc etc. but the people there are great always will to spot you, give you tips, shout at you to go further and push yourself. which to me made the biggest difference as it made me want to do more, Getting comments after 3-4 weeks when doing pad work saying how well you have progressed just makes you want to work harder. so getting the RIGHT GYM FOR YOU is most important of all things.
 
If you want to be able to defend yourself, pick a martial arts you will regularly spar in. Boxing, Muay Thai, MMA, to a lesser extent - BJJ and Wrestling (not because they're not crazy effective, maybe even more so than the others listed but because they require ground work which may not be great in a street fight).

If you want to learn to defend yourself, forget about attending "self defence" classes and also forget about defending yourself against 4 attackers with weapons, it's not going to happen....run.

If you want to get fit and have fun, any of the styles you (and anyone else) has listed will be good.
 
I have been doing boxing for just over a year now and so has the mrs spurred on by the fact we got "jumped" on a night out and I couldn't protect my other half whilst being outnumbered

Realistically, no martial art would help in this scenario :( it's why even top boxers have bodyguards.
 
If you are interested in self defence i would take wing chun over any of the others. Its not gonna get you very fit though, so if you are looking for it to work you out too then i would be looking at mauy thai
 
If you are interested in self defence i would take wing chun over any of the others. Its not gonna get you very fit though, so if you are looking for it to work you out too then i would be looking at mauy thai

Really, in a real life situation you need to be pretty fit to defend yourself unless you get in a lucky punch, be that because you need to fight for 3 minutes or because you need to sprint for half a mile.
 
So many conflicting opinions but I really appreciate them all. I suppose that it all depends on how these are taught and whether or not I'll be actually doing a lot of sparring rather than prancing about and acting :p. I'll be asking the instructors a lot of questions about how they teach and what the sessions involve.

Just noticed this bit and it has me concerned (maybe a little deja vu), which Uni are you at?

I'm at the uni of Bristol. The info can be found here:

http://www.bristolsu.org.uk/activities/societies/kravmaga/

There's also details like this on the other pages but not all of them!
 
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At the end of the day you should avoid fighting at all costs, especially against multiple people*. It really isn't worth risking your health or someone else's. They aren't always avoidable, but if you can, just walk away.

MMA. If you find the right place you'll learn pretty much everything you would need to know in a self-defence situation. Striking and grappling.

BJJ isn't all ground work, by the way. There are standing guillotines, standing rear naked chokes, etc. And at some point you will most likely end up on the floor so even a slight knowledge of BJJ against someone who has no idea what they're doing would be insanely useful, even if they're bigger and stronger than you. Though if it's some huge Bob Sapp looking dude, run for it. You can defend yourself from strikes, break their arm, choke them out, destroy their knee or simply hold them in place until help arrives. Of course you don't ever want to be on the floor if you're up against multiple people but it's not always avoidable.

Unless you're a horrible person looking for trouble, having the knowledge you will gain from training will only make you want to avoid confrontation. You'll be more confident in yourself and have nothing to prove. Hopefully.

*Except if your name is Renzo Gracie. Google 'Renzo Gracie mugging' and click the second link for some lols.
 
Having been a junior instructor (around ten years ago) at Ju Jitsu, there is a very specific reason for this as I am surprised you haven't guessed: students starting out want something they can get fit and relatively confident with, not trips to hospital. ;)

To be fair, however, TJF changed significantly (one of the reasons I left) around ten years ago, pushing it towards the kata/competitive dance side of things so I would be reluctant to recommend it to anybody with the somewhat dubious objective of "turning their body into a weapon..."

granted you can still get injured in judo, though AFAIK - from what a friend who encouraged me to come along to a TJF class indicated, they had plenty of injuries themselves (leaping into the air after someone has dealt with your attack can still injure you, someone pretending to strike to the eyes or throat can accidentally end up actually doing that etc..etc..) I don't think that in itself is an excuse for LARPing/engaging in 'bullshido'

I mean there is practicing techniques and then there is the full on ridiculous play acting I saw at that club
 
If you want to be able to defend yourself, pick a martial arts you will regularly spar in. Boxing, Muay Thai, MMA, to a lesser extent - BJJ and Wrestling (not because they're not crazy effective, maybe even more so than the others listed but because they require ground work which may not be great in a street fight).

I'd add Judo to that too... though it certainly doesn't have to involve you going to the ground.

Also from a self defence perspective it gives you much better legal protection - hitting someone with the pavement can be much much more effective than striking them yet the police/local magistrates will be more likely to consider it self defence/reasonable force.
 
also to counter the idea that boxing, judo, Muay Thai are 'just sports' and ju jitsu, Krav etc..etc.. are best for self defence/ 'teh streets' etc..

boxer dealing with a gang:


and another...



boxing, judo etc.. might not be very exotic but they're widely available and very effective
 
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