Max Mosley - oh dear

He wasn't parading around in public dressed as a nazi, was he?

Frankly I think it's all rather bizarre and a bit twisted - but it was privately twisted. Thats the point. Behind closed doors provided you don't break the law you should be able to do what you wish and be who you want to be. So he enjoys roleplay, why is this any of our business?

It's not a world away from those people who like to tow their girlfriend around the house on a leash. Weird but.. its their life.
 
Ignoring my disdain for Max, I still think that the incident, even though it has no direct impact on his competence as the FIA president, does have bearing on his much publicised viewpoint that nothing should allow the sport into disrepute...

If he really has any scruples he will resign, since his position will be very much untenable otherwise - hes lost the moral high ground that he bases a lot of his decisions upon...

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[TW]Fox;11400685 said:
It's not a world away from those people who like to tow their girlfriend around the house on a leash. Weird but.. its their life.
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That's just plain sick, fancy letting them out of the kitchen!
 
Gilly said:
I haven't seen the video, but there's been descriptions of them dressing as a prisoner in a concentration camp, as well as nazi stormtroopers.

Given his background I find that very, very wrong.
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True it's a twisted but so are other extreme acts. Even so I'd bet if he just visited "normal" prostitutes people will still expect him to resign.
 
Gilly said:
I haven't seen the video, but there's been descriptions of them dressing as a prisoner in a concentration camp, as well as nazi stormtroopers.

Given his background I find that very, very wrong.
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They were in striped outfits, just like any of thousands of different types of prisoner over the years, including those in German concentration camps.

I didn't see much to suggest a German theme, possibly the hookers outfits, but if you were to get on google, I'm sure more than 50% of the bondage sites use a German theme for the dominating characters, adds a kind of kinkyness.

With his ageing physique he does look a little like a prisoner in a NAZI concentration camp, but I'm sure that's mere coincidence.

Is this getting a little OTT for a family forum? I'm just trying to get accross that - as far as I can tell - there is a big leap from what he's doing, to imitating a NAZI concentration camp.

Also, I don't like the guy as leader of the FIA.
 
Remember here that the only reports of this (I am not disputing it happened btw) are from newspapers such as The News of the World.

They are not normally found receiving awards for unsensationalist reporting.
 
[TW]Fox;11400685 said:
He wasn't parading around in public dressed as a nazi, was he?

Frankly I think it's all rather bizarre and a bit twisted - but it was privately twisted. Thats the point. Behind closed doors provided you don't break the law you should be able to do what you wish and be who you want to be. So he enjoys roleplay, why is this any of our business?

It's not a world away from those people who like to tow their girlfriend around the house on a leash. Weird but.. its their life.
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Yes it was behind closed doors, and yes it's thanks to the gutter press that we even know about this, what's done is done. But how can it fail your 'so what' test now that it's out? Sensationalist as the NOTW may be, this 'story' really doesn't require much twisting tbh. What is being suspected of him now, that he may well be a nazi sympathiser or whatever is the main problem. As Martin Brundle was quoted as saying in one of the above posts, a man in such a position of an international organisation as he, well that is unacceptable really. And though he'll never admit the nazi allegations, I think it's more than coincidental that that particular roleplay was of choice... As for what his political leanings have to do with motorsport- nothing, but in this particular case it can't be overlooked.
 
[TW]Fox;11400896 said:
Are prostitutes illegal?
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Would the CEO of a private company get away with being caught with his pants down with five hookers? Never mind the bondage!

It doesn't have to be illegal for it to be held against him. The immorality of it is enough.
 
Gilly said:
Would the CEO of a private company get away with being caught with his pants down with five hookers? Never mind the bondage!
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Presumably nobody would know what he did in his free, private personal non work time becuase he wouldn't have a gaggle of gutter-press following him around.
 
[TW]Fox;11399720 said:
What he does or doesnt do with his wife or other consenting adults behind closed doors is the business of nobody but himself and his wife. Professional life and private life should always remain seperate.
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Oh come on. I normally agree with you, but as soon as you become a somebody the right to a private life is gone. Everybody knows that.

And its not about the legallity of it, its about the image it brings to the FIA. If you were his superior do you honestly belive youd just let him off and hope that every Jew or every war verterain or anyone who finds it offensive doesnt care..

And seen as we are talking about it here, it is now clearly part of his public life.
 
[TW]Fox;11400942 said:
Presumably nobody would know what he did in his free, private personal non work time becuase he wouldn't have a gaggle of gutter-press following him around.
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Yes but now you DO know. And aren't you glad you know? ('Glad' isn't really the right word) I think I would rather be informed, not about the fact that he is having extra marital sex, and indulging in prostitutes, but that his particular choice of roleplay may well indicate that he is a nazi sympathiser, which is completely unacceptable for someone of his stature.
 
Doohickey said:
...but that his particular choice of roleplay may well indicate that he is a nazi sympathiser, which is completely unacceptable for someone of his stature.
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And this doesnt even have to be true. The image associated with even the possibility that he may be will be damaging enough...

The Neutral Image of the FIA > The Privacy of One Man.
 
Doohickey said:
but that his particular choice of roleplay may well indicate that he is a nazi sympathiser, which is completely unacceptable for someone of his stature.
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'May'

The word 'may' will soon vanish from this story as it becomes accepted as 'fact' even though its merely a tabloid papers interpretation of what happened..
 
[TW]Fox;11401062 said:
'May'

The word 'may' will soon vanish from this story as it becomes accepted as 'fact' even though its merely a tabloid papers interpretation of what happened..
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Someone please help me out on this one by providing evidence where someone has been dismissed over 'the image' of their actions rather than 'the truth'?

Its got nothing to do with what the truth is, the simple fact is that it will, infact has, created a negative image of Max, and therefore the FIA due to his association with it. Fox, your views are correct in a perfect world where privacy is private and personal lifes dont impact upon professional or public lifes, but you surely must realise that wether or not you agree with it society is not a perfect world, and 'image' is worth far more than 'truth'.
 
In modern society, it doesnt matter that this SHOULD be part of Max's private life and nothing more, the fact is its now part of his PUBLIC life, and therefore, regardless of the explaination or reasoning, the IMAGE of such an act will do far more damage than the truth.

You saying that we should just turn a blind eye and not care just doesnt stand up, as the fact of the matter is, many people wont, regardless of wether you feel they should.

In the eyes of the Media the FIA have a Nazi Sympathizing leader who cheats on his wife... You have no control over your image, and to be honest, at the level of public view he is in, it would be naive of him to think he could control it.

This is both public and offensive to some, and you cant expect people to turn a blind eye because it 'should' just be his personal life...

I also guarantee your view would be different if you were Jewish, lol
 
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